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2010-04-06T11:13:00.000-07:00

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2010-02-23T22:26:00.001-08:00

Created a little over a year and a half ago by the amazing RJ Kikuchiyo, the Ernestina still holds up as a phenomenal creation, an act of love, and a beautiful statement for the memory and preservation of our sailing history

Back, in back its FULL 1,635 prim glory, this creation STILL takes your breath away when you see it .

Interview with Becca Moulliez

2010-02-20T07:08:00.000-08:00

The America's Cup in SL had just ended a week before, the real life America's Cup was won and lost yesterday. It was time for smaller boats, for something that we ordinary people could actually have fun with. Monday February 17th 2010 was a perfect day to present a new sailing engine for aspiring boat builders. Liv Leigh set out to interview it's proud maker: Becca Mouliez. A talk with a Second Life workaholic who spends most of her time with her 'baby'.

Becca Moulliez: I dont think the Tako will ever end..

Liv Leigh: Becca, you are one of the newer boat builders in SL. And as such I may say, one of the rising stars. How would you regard yourself? A Sailboat builder or a scripter?
Becca Moulliez: I regard myself as a scripter. I'm not that good as a builder.
Liv Leigh: I remember when I first met you, you were rebuilding a tako from scratch, is that the kind of thing I should consider a sign of your ambition as scripter in the sailing community?

Becca Moulliez: Well... to tell the mere truth I was curious about exploring SL using a boat. I built a small powerboat first and then a Sailboat... but I could not find any good sailboat script around.
Becca Moulliez: Then I found those Tako 2.1 scripts in SL Wiki and found it logical to clone a boat similar to the Tako.
Liv Leigh: So you just wanted to make your own boat, to use it..
Becca Moulliez: Thats right. I had tremendous Lag problems at the time, since my laptop had poor graphics. I got a Tetra that was really beautiful... but could not afford sailing it well...
Becca Moulliez: Too much load due to the attachment.
Liv Leigh: When did you first start to think about scripting your own sailing engine?
Becca Moulliez: As soon as I realized I could not sail a Tetra.
Becca Moulliez: I knew the Tetra was a Tako.
Liv Leigh: And I guess you figured out pretty soon that the tako scripts were getting a bit old..
Becca Moulliez: Well I realized that they had a few bugs and I wasn't satisfied with the load on SL. Plus most boats arounds had many more features
Becca Moulliez: So I bought a Fizz 2.
Becca Moulliez: And realized that there were many more features available... But once again due to my poor configuration even the Fizz was laggy.
Liv Leigh: I understand. The Fizz 2.0 used to be one of my all-time favourite boats, it could get quite heavy though, also for me.

Liv Leigh: Your first boat, that you actually brought to the public, was Becky's Baby Sloop, a small boat that got very popular within no-time. What were the ideas that brough you to creating this boat and why did you decide to release it for free?
Becca Moulliez: Well the boat I would like to release at the time was the Laser actually... but I wasn't ready due to the tight Boat Show schedule.
Becca Moulliez: So that Sloop was ready :)

Becca Moulliez: I released it for free because I want the sailing community to have a working platform for builders.
Becca Moulliez: I could not find something comparable when I started scripting.
Liv Leigh: You think there used to be a big gap between the proprietary sailing engines of the big builders and the free scripts, like the Tako 2.1?
Becca Moulliez: Absolutely YES.
Becca Moulliez: Best builders have many features we still miss.
Becca Moulliez: But most of them have been working on their scripts for long... Hopefully we will reach a close-to level soon...

Liv Leigh: At some point in 2009 Mothgirl Dibou's boat building kit, based on the Fizz scripts, was released. Have you considered to use that as a base?
Becca Moulliez: I did... and I used it ! I was really excited for a number of reasons. First Mothgirl used to build close to me at Adriatic. So, while she wasnt talking much i could see in person the Kit progressing under my eyes.
Liv Leigh: I see..
Becca Moulliez: Second: the Fizz is probably the best engine around, so I was really excited about having the opportunity to use and maybe adapt it to my own needs...
Becca Moulliez: Unfortunately the Fizz Kit wasn't an open code resource... and this came as a little desillusion actually.
Liv Leigh: I understand.. So this is how you slowly got into scripting BWind, the engine you present this monday.
Liv Leigh: Can you tell me something about BWind.?
Becca Moulliez: Well Bwind is a sailing engine meant to be as low-lag as possible. Comes from months of scripting for my own use. I stripped the Tako 2.1 scripts a lot to reduce lag.
Liv Leigh: This explains why your boats became an instant hit with the touring community...
Becca Moulliez: Well, the Sloop came as a direct request from Manul Rotaru and Tory Micheline at Mowry Bay Crusing Club. They wanted to have a low-lag cruising boat.
Liv Leigh: What was the main reason they asked for it? Was it the lag, or also to have adecent boat for new touring sailors?

Liv Leigh: Great. I understand that the Schiffsratten Yacht Club has already organised a race series in one of your boats. How do you see the development of BWind when it comes to racing classes?
Becca Moulliez: Well, to race effectively we need a rewrite of current WWC Receiver... I'm not satisfied about the current one. At this point probably the BWind boats could be comparable to a Tako 3 for racing.
Liv Leigh: Few people know that you have a prototype ready with a number of other functions in it, one that I happen to posess now :P How would you describe that one.. Or is it classified? ;)
Becca Moulliez: I have a work in progress prototype including independent sails, a spinnaker and a wing/jib function. Plus I'm testing boat dynamics to have a more realistic feeling... And no, it's not classified ;) Only in alpha stage :)
Liv Leigh: I think there are quite some people around who see the potential of the BWind engine. There is talk about Trudeau Classic Yachts testing a BWind-powered boat, I have heard about others who contacted you for scripting boats for OSGrid. How do you see this yourself? Will we see a whole legion of new sailboat builders? Will this be 'the end of the tako', as some people have proclaimed before about new sailing engines? What do you think the future will look like?
Becca Moulliez: I dont think the Tako will ever end actually... the Tako is a nice simple boat and a lot of fun to race. I dont think any Boat or Builder will end actually...
Becca Moulliez: Probably some will be using BWind as an alternative to their current releases. And probably we will see many new builders around... to what extent and quality level we will see...

Liv Leigh: That's nice. I think we now know something about your work in SL. So how about play? What other things do you like in Second Life?

Becca Moulliez: Oh well :) Apart from spending as much time as possible with my baby, I don't have much time left to do many things I would like to. When I have time I still love exploring the seas of SL :)
Becca Moulliez: On a BWind obviously :)
Liv Leigh: Hehe, do I hear the SL-Workaholic here?
Becca Moulliez: hahaha
Liv Leigh: Do you sail in RL?
Becca Moulliez: I have been sailing in RL for a while on small boats... Optimist when a girl and the Lasers and 470.
Liv Leigh: Did you sail competitively? Or as recreation?
Becca Moulliez: Just recreation mostly... I had some sailing experiences on bigger boats (more or less like a Tetra) and I know a number of good RL sailors. One of them won 2 AC and 2 Louis Vuitton Cups :)
Liv Leigh: That's impressive.
Becca Moulliez: (he's lost yesterday... he's not happy :) )

Liv Leigh: You mentioned exploring, is there a specific place you found that you like a lot?
Becca Moulliez: Windlass in Blake Sea :) But they are more places. Once there were some wonderful sims called Nanogunk where you could sail. And there are also those Pirates Sims I like so much.

Liv Leigh: Ok, thanks for the interview. I will simply end with my usual question now: what would you advice sailors in SL? (and for you an additional one: and sailboat builders?)
Becca Moulliez: Sail Light ! drop your AO's and scripts first and your own glamorous flexies ! I know someone who raced at 54 knots and won, wearing a cool greenish outfit ! :)
Liv Leigh: That sounds strange, who would that have been...

Crossposted to metaversesailing.com and sltyc.com

2009-12-07T20:59:00.001-08:00

I want to thank everyone who took part in the Seaplane show. It was a remarkable success and all of us at Tradewinds got a lot of feedback from the public that enjoyed it.

Something like this is never done alone. Liv Leigh, our commodore, thought up the idea for this exhibition and played a huge role in directing me and rounding up the exhibitors. BeauZeau Zhao also played a key role in filling in the planes we were missing, contacting other makers and helping in a big way. Neron Blanco played a key role as a personal advisor to me and helped with links to historical wiki pages

Tradewinds Seaplane Show 2009

2009-11-24T01:41:00.000-08:00

Some of the very best in Seaplanes by some of the very best in SL plane builders will be on display from November 21st until December 5th at the Tradewinds Seaplane Show.

A listing of exhibitors can be found here:

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcq2k35p_1dxzbrrgr

Come see it!!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/189/33/23

For info you can contact Liv Leigh or Tasha Kostolany in-world.

sin Seoung joined the boat show

2009-06-18T16:55:00.000-07:00

Thursday June 18th sin Seoung joined the boat show

[Thursday June 18th sin Seoung joined the boat show

[15:28] Tasha Kostolany: wow nice!!!!
[15:28] sin Seoung: Thanks!
[15:28] sin Seoung: I was a little reluctant to show it at this point
[15:28] sin Seoung: but
[15:28] sin Seoung: what the heck
[15:29] Tasha Kostolany: absolutely a lot of these boats are in the process
[15:29] Tasha Kostolany: as a matter of fact all of them are
[15:29] Tasha Kostolany: there isn't a finished boat here
[15:29] sin Seoung: oh my...
[15:29] Tasha Kostolany: so this is good
[15:29] sin Seoung: I guess I shouldn't feel so bad...
[15:29] Tasha Kostolany: abolutely not
[15:30] Tasha Kostolany: have you started playing with the fizz fit?
[15:30] sin Seoung: yes
[15:30] sin Seoung: I have a pretty good start
[15:30] sin Seoung: a keel
[15:30] sin Seoung: and some sitting positions
[15:30] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[15:31] sin Seoung: my goal was to do everything myself
[15:31] sin Seoung: so...
[15:31] sin Seoung: it may be a while
[15:33] sin Seoung: would you be so kind Tasha...as to give me the form again...
[15:33] Tasha Kostolany: absolutely
[15:34] Tasha Kostolany: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=ck1lNG9tVi1DOG9YWDV4XzBPN252UWc6MA..
[15:35] Tasha Kostolany: how long have you been working on it?
[15:35] sin Seoung: hmmm
[15:35] sin Seoung: I think 2 weeks or so
[15:35] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[15:35] Tasha Kostolany: I'm IMPRESSED
[15:35] sin Seoung: thank you so much
[15:36] sin Seoung: that means so much to me
[15:36] Tasha Kostolany: you have built other things of course
[15:36] Tasha Kostolany: ?
[15:36] sin Seoung: not really
[15:36] sin Seoung: but
[15:36] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[15:36] sin Seoung: I built a house
[15:36] sin Seoung: and loved the process
[15:36] Tasha Kostolany: for a new builder this is very impressive
[15:36] sin Seoung: I am learning as I go
[15:36] Tasha Kostolany: yeah you learn a lot by just getting in there and doing it
[15:37] sin Seoung: yeah...
[15:37] sin Seoung: a friend encouraged me...
[15:37] sin Seoung: that helped

[15:40] Tasha Kostolany: yeah and this is the 3rd boatshow for tradewinds
[15:41] Tasha Kostolany: the smallest of the 3
[15:41] sin Seoung: probably better I am in a smaller one...
[15:41] Tasha Kostolany: just working with people building boats as apposed to long established finished boats
[15:41] sin Seoung: the fizz kit was a really neat thing
[15:41] Tasha Kostolany: yeah this is perfect, your right where youw want to be
[15:42] sin Seoung: yes...

[15:42] Tasha Kostolany: the fizz kit was huge yeah
[15:42] sin Seoung: I tried to write my own
[15:42] sin Seoung: but I dont know how to script either
[15:42] Tasha Kostolany: and we're trouble shooting some minor bugs, really getting it a good test
[15:42] sin Seoung: so I tried to modify the Elyd

[15:43] Tasha Kostolany: if you follow the fiz kit step by step
[15:43] Tasha Kostolany: it really walks you through it
[15:43] sin Seoung: The notecards are well written
[15:43] sin Seoung: which will help
[15:43] Tasha Kostolany: YES they are
[15:44] Tasha Kostolany: Moth has a brillent Lagistical mind, very clear
[15:44] sin Seoung: apparently!
[15:44] sin Seoung: geez

[15:45] sin Seoung: I am glad the real engine is no mod
[15:45] sin Seoung: otherwise I would screw it all up

[15:46] Tasha Kostolany: so what made you want to build it?
[15:46] sin Seoung: well,
[15:46] sin Seoung: I got the Elyd
[15:46] sin Seoung: and couldnt get race wind
[15:47] sin Seoung: so that started me working on the idea
[15:47] sin Seoung: and I built my house on the Pelican sims
[15:47] sin Seoung: the two ideas combined
[15:47] sin Seoung: and poof!
[15:47] Tasha Kostolany: that's great
[15:47] sin Seoung: I am becoming a hermit.....but
[15:47] sin Seoung: lol
[15:48] sin Seoung: it is really fun
[15:48] Tasha Kostolany: this will be cool to have a Elyd on the fizz script

[15:48] sin Seoung: This is close to the Elyd
[15:48] sin Seoung: but still quite a bit diff
[15:48] sin Seoung: I looked at some Bruce Farr designs

[15:54] sin Seoung: all criticisms welcome
[15:55] sin Seoung: or comments
[15:55] Tasha Kostolany: Sin can I post your comments and pictures at the forum?
[15:55] sin Seoung: sure!
[15:55] Tasha Kostolany: :)

2009 Fizz Boat Builders Show Opens

2009-06-14T15:06:00.000-07:00

Show opens
Monday June 15th through Saturday June 20th

Mon-Sat RJ Kikuchiyo will set up and begin construction on a Tom Colvin Design Chinese Junk that can be lived aboard, starting at the very first prim and working with luck to its completion using the Fizz engine by weeks end

Monday 12pm Becca Moulliez will take Questions and Answers regarding her boat "Tradewinds Star Class 1.0.7 Beta"

Tuesday 12pm Alan Beresford will do a live demonstration of the Sculpt Studio program on how he makes Boat Hulls and will take Q & A on his boat the "Wally"

More events coming

Neron Blanco works with Scult Studio

2009-06-07T18:40:00.001-07:00

June 5, 2009 Neron came by and showed me what he was working on

[8:14] Neron Blanco: i want to test a new hull, want to give me your opinion?
[8:14] Tasha Kostolany: would love to . . . . oh wow, that's cool

[8:14] Tasha Kostolany: have you been working with the kit?
[8:14] Neron Blanco: not much... i'm more learning to sculpt now
[8:14] Tasha Kostolany: what program are you using?
[8:15] Neron Blanco: i use sculpt studio
[8:15] Neron Blanco: in world
[8:16] Tasha Kostolany: yeah I see what your doing
[8:16] Tasha Kostolany: hey that's coming along
[8:16] Neron Blanco: what do you think? decent at least?
[8:17] Tasha Kostolany: absolutely very crisp lines in the cockpit cut
[8:17] Tasha Kostolany: and I see where the mast is going to go
[8:17] Neron Blanco: mhhh i must have done something wrong tho... it's not symmetrical

[8:17] Tasha Kostolany: are you modeling it off of anything or having fun with it from your imagination?
[8:18] Neron Blanco: imagination, based on a hinckley islander tho
[8:18] Tasha Kostolany: hmmmm the whole thing is not symmetrical?
[8:18] Neron Blanco: the deck
[8:19] Neron Blanco: see the lines have not same angles?
[8:19] Tasha Kostolany: ohhhh yeah

[8:19] Tasha Kostolany: talk to becca on that, is there a menu for symmetrical?
[8:20] Neron Blanco: well yes you can mirror half of the slice points
[8:20] Neron Blanco: that's what i did, but there's something not right anyway lol
[8:21] Tasha Kostolany: I see what you mean it seems to be pulled to the port side a little inside the hull?
[8:22] Tasha Kostolany: it looks really cute though
[8:22] Neron Blanco: thank you :-)

[8:25] Tasha Kostolany: is the sculpt studio fun to work with?
[8:26] Neron Blanco: it is, the new versions have many useful functions
[8:26] Tasha Kostolany: I'm really looking forward to getting it myself
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: how long did it take you to get the boat to where it is now?
[8:27] Neron Blanco: but it needs practice and money to learn... i had to rent a little lot to work with it, but now i'm running out of cash lol
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: !!!!!!!! work HERE
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: no kidding
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: we have space here I want people to feel welcome here
[8:27] Tasha Kostolany: we have a skybox set up
[8:27] Neron Blanco: oh wow!
[8:28] Tasha Kostolany: if you want to use the sculpt studio and don't want to be down at the water here
[8:29] Tasha Kostolany: Builders Skybox http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/142/68/3001
[8:29] Tasha Kostolany: go for it
[8:29] Neron Blanco: awesome!

[8:30] Tasha Kostolany: yeah have at it!!!!! I want people to work here because it is encuraging to others
[8:30] Tasha Kostolany: and you guys can answer each others questions
[8:30] Tasha Kostolany: learn from each other
[8:31] Neron Blanco: i'm still at a very basic level, manul helped me alot
[8:31] Tasha Kostolany: Manul is working in the harbor all the time and I want that too

[8:31] Neron Blanco: i can show you how that tool works if you want
[8:32] Neron Blanco: it goes all by menu
[8:32] Neron Blanco: you click the base, select the type of slices and the number
[8:33] Neron Blanco: it's not hard to make a basic hull shape, it's hard to reach a realistic and cute one tho lol
[8:33] Tasha Kostolany: lol

[8:34] Tasha Kostolany: so Becca was saying you don;t have to use all 32 slices
[8:34] Neron Blanco: yes true
[8:34] Tasha Kostolany: and if you use less slices you get more points per slice?
[8:35] Neron Blanco: yes, so you can work on details better
[8:35] Tasha Kostolany: ok
[8:35] Neron Blanco: it's like blender in its philosophy
[8:35] Neron Blanco: imagine a cylinder
[8:35] Neron Blanco: 32 slices
[8:35] Neron Blanco: 32 points per slices
[8:36] Neron Blanco: 32x32
[8:36] Neron Blanco: 32x32 is the number of points, which can be distributed differently according on how many slices you use
[8:36] Neron Blanco: then you work mostly on selections of group of slices

[8:40] Tasha Kostolany: wow you used a smoothing button?
[8:40] Neron Blanco: it's a function that allows you to make convex/concave shapes
[8:40] Neron Blanco: on the group of slices you select
[8:40] Tasha Kostolany: so you first try to shape the slices in a general way before you work with the points in each slice?
[8:41] Neron Blanco: now i've selected from slice 1 to slice 13 and made a convex shape in that selection
[8:41] Neron Blanco: mhh yes that's my way to work, even if i've watched disisme working and she usually works on both slice and points at the same time
[8:42] Neron Blanco: i mean.. pro builders work in different ways lol
[8:42] Tasha Kostolany: right
[8:42] Tasha Kostolany: of course
[8:42] Tasha Kostolany: but this is how you do it
[8:43] Neron Blanco: when you want how the prim will look you can load a preview
[8:43] Neron Blanco: let me show you
[8:43] Tasha Kostolany: ok :)
[8:43] Tasha Kostolany: an inworld preview?
[8:43] Neron Blanco: no on a website
[8:44] Tasha Kostolany: oh ok
[8:44] Tasha Kostolany: what is this green thing?
[8:44] Neron Blanco: of course it's not exactly how it will look in SL
[8:44] Neron Blanco: but it's close
[8:44] Neron Blanco: the green thing is the "frame"

[8:45] Neron Blanco: it's basicly the prim that contains the sculpty, same overall dimensions
[8:45] Neron Blanco: http://re.sculpties.info/fini/d3753f85-f480-47c8-a3d2-911d3733030e/Sculptie_HywtOif1xoJVetir.html
[8:46] Neron Blanco: you get that webpage where you can see a preview or download the sculpt map and the notecard that will allow you to save your work and rezz it again when you continue [once you get to the website you want to click "Sculptie Previewer" to see the previewed image]

8:46] Tasha Kostolany: so what does the frame do?
[8:46] Tasha Kostolany: like that's the limits of where it will go?
[8:46] Neron Blanco: yes
[8:46] Tasha Kostolany: ok
[8:46] Neron Blanco: a sculpty has a "collision box"
[8:47] Neron Blanco: are you watching the preview?

[8:52] Neron Blanco: no, i'll shape another slice then copy the shape in the old one
[8:53] Neron Blanco: using the b-spline function
[8:54] Neron Blanco: it's easy to make curves

[8:54] Tasha Kostolany: yeah!!!
[8:54] Neron Blanco: i move the anchor and all the points in the selection i made move to make a smooth curve :-)
[8:55] Neron Blanco: then mirror function,et voila!
[8:56] Tasha Kostolany: yeah I see what your doing
[8:56] Neron Blanco: now i close the slice
[8:56] Neron Blanco: save it
[8:56] Neron Blanco: and copy it to all the slices i want
[8:57] Tasha Kostolany: neat
[8:57] Neron Blanco: it's hard to get it at first... without viewing the preview you have to imagine how it works...

[8:59] Neron Blanco: once made the shape, i rez the frame again and load a preview

[8:59] Neron Blanco: and so on until you're happy and upload the sculpt map on SL for a real checking :-)

[8:59] Tasha Kostolany: so the fame is needed for preview?
[9:00] Neron Blanco: the frame is needed to load the sculpt map too
[9:00] Tasha Kostolany: I gotcha
[9:00] Neron Blanco: sculpt studio memorizes all the positions of the points in each slice
[9:00] Neron Blanco: and from those positions it draws the sculpt map
[9:00] Tasha Kostolany: that's cool
[9:01] Neron Blanco: so the frame is the area where sculpt studio checks the positions
[9:01] Neron Blanco: if you make it bigger than needed, the sculpt will come out smaller
[9:01] Tasha Kostolany: yeah I see
[9:02] Tasha Kostolany: your talking about the frame in relation to the slices?
[9:02] Neron Blanco: if some slice is out of the frame, those slices will be not noticed
[9:02] Neron Blanco: yes
[9:02] Neron Blanco: if i use a frame like this one

[9:02] Neron Blanco: all the lower part will appear flat
[9:03] Neron Blanco: cause the tool doesn't loads the points out of the frame

[9:04] Neron Blanco: and you need to load the frame only when you're done and need to see the preview or load the sculpt map

[9:04] Tasha Kostolany: you can stretch the sculptie right? but maybe how far you can stretch might be limted
[9:05] Neron Blanco: mhh well the slices have the usual 10x10x10 limit
[9:05] Neron Blanco: the frame too
[9:05] Tasha Kostolany: oh ok
[9:05] Neron Blanco: but by example
[9:05] Neron Blanco: if you need to make a very thin rope
[9:05] Neron Blanco: you can make simply a pole
[9:05] Neron Blanco: and make the frame way bigger than the slices
[9:05] Tasha Kostolany: I gotcha
[9:05] Neron Blanco: so that pole will look thin
[9:06] Tasha Kostolany: can you rezz your boat hull now

[9:09] Neron Blanco: dragging the notecard in the base of the tool allows you to rez your work
[9:09] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[9:10] Neron Blanco: it takes a while tho
[9:10] Neron Blanco: a long while lol

[9:11] Tasha Kostolany: oh ok so this is a little differnt than how Becca had hers you have tilted the slices more and shaped the slices maybe that helps with positioning the points on the slices
[9:11] Neron Blanco: i've used the b-spline on the slices instead of on points
[9:12] Neron Blanco: a different b-spline anchor for each part of the hull
[9:12] Tasha Kostolany: ok and b-spline lets you do curves again?
[9:12] Neron Blanco: yep

[9:14] Tasha Kostolany: so these are the sclices for your boat?
[9:14] Neron Blanco: yes
[9:15] Neron Blanco: that hull you saw when we was on the beach is what comes out from these slices

[9:19] Tasha Kostolany: awwww so before was the boat stretched out lengthwise?
[9:19] Neron Blanco: yes that's a prim i've modified
[9:19] Neron Blanco: to keep the aspect ratio
[9:20] Neron Blanco: you need to use the same dimensions of the frame prim
[9:20] Tasha Kostolany: yeah to get it to match but the finished prodcut deosn't need to be the same deminetions, . . . or what do you think?
[9:21] Neron Blanco: it doesn't need to be the same dimension
[9:21] Tasha Kostolany: I suppose if you paint the texture the
paintjob would be altered or distorted if you stretched it
[9:21] Neron Blanco: but the proportions between x y and z axis must be the same
[9:21] Neron Blanco: think of it as a pole
[9:22] Neron Blanco: if you stretch the x axis
[9:22] Neron Blanco: it will be not a rounded pole anymore
[9:22] Tasha Kostolany: right

[9:23] Neron Blanco: i wish i could show you the menu
[9:23] Tasha Kostolany: I'm learning a lot from seeing how you guys do this
[9:23] Neron Blanco: give a look at the website
[9:23] Neron Blanco: there are many tutorials
[9:23] Tasha Kostolany: yeah give me that address
[9:23] Neron Blanco: http://www.sculpties.info/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[9:24] Tasha Kostolany: thanks
[9:24] Neron Blanco: http://www.sculpties.info/
[9:24] Tasha Kostolany: its cool he set it up as a wiki so others can help add stuff

[9:25] Tasha Kostolany: how long have you had scult studio?
[9:25] Neron Blanco: another sculpt too

l[9:25] Neron Blanco: it's similar and cheaper, but it has no documentation at all
[9:27] Misprint Thursday is Online
[9:27] Neron Blanco: ok, it's 1 million L$ for the show :-P
[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: LOL
[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: thanks neron
[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: let me capture the chat

[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: I am very serious about wanting you to work here
[9:29] Neron Blanco: oh wow, just make clear that i'm not a pro builder, that's just what i've learned in these days
[9:29] Tasha Kostolany: yes of course and THAT makes you all the better because your like "real people"
[9:30] Neron Blanco: since i got some not so kind comment on my previous hull i won't seem so arrogant to call myself a build teacher :-)

Manul Rotaru 3 Masted Longboat

2009-06-02T10:51:00.000-07:00

Monday June 1, 2009, Manul shows up at Tradewinds and shows me the 3 boats he's working on. Of the three, his long boat is pretty new and hadn't seen -- this is amazing:

[12:32] Tasha Kostolany: LOVE the look on the long boat
[12:32] Tasha Kostolany: three sails?
[12:32] Manul Rotaru: ty :)
[12:32] Tasha Kostolany: do they all work?
[12:32] Manul Rotaru: yes
[12:32] Manul Rotaru: we can sail her shortly
[12:32] Manul Rotaru shouts: hop onboard ;)
[12:33] Tasha Kostolany: wow you are getting really good Manul at makeing boat hulls
[12:33] Manul Rotaru: ty, Tasha

[12:33] Tasha Kostolany: is this blender?
[12:33] Manul Rotaru: still all with Blender.. I was too busy and too lazy to start with Sculpt Studio ;)
[12:33] Tasha Kostolany: hey if it works for you no need to change
[12:34] Manul Rotaru: yeah, I have no hurry ... sooner or later I will look into sculpt studio
[12:35] Tasha Kostolany: Mothgirl said you could add satic crew poses
[12:35] Manul Rotaru: I can lower the mizzen lug
[12:35] Manul Rotaru: gennaker

[12:35] Longboat_1.44 whispers: Dropping gennaker...
[12:35] Manul Rotaru: moor
[12:35] Tasha Kostolany: wow this looks pretty good
[12:35] Manul Rotaru: yeah... these Longboat could need several crew poses
[12:36] Tasha Kostolany: so what is happening, have you doubled the main sail?
[12:36] Manul Rotaru: ok... the jib became the fore lug
[12:36] Manul Rotaru: the main became the main Lug
[12:36] Manul Rotaru: the gennaker became the mizzen lug
[12:37] Tasha Kostolany: ohhhh so you can only sail the mizzen down wind or can you adjust the settings to sail it any time?
[12:38] Manul Rotaru: here is one of the sites where you can see cool pics: http://www.acse.ie/gallery/index.php
[12:38] Manul Rotaru: I can use the mizzen upwind and on reaches also
[12:39] Manul Rotaru: I have adjusted the gennaker parameters in the notecard

[12:44] Manul Rotaru: I have to run now to Tory´s boat
[12:44] Tasha Kostolany: ok I'll add your pictures people will be interested in seeing how you added three masts
[12:45] Manul Rotaru: a work in progress.. a raw buildt.. many much more to work on this one ;)
[12:45] Manul Rotaru: yeah, sure, of course
[12:45] Tasha Kostolany: of course as are all the ones I have featured
[12:45] Tasha Kostolany: its all about encouraging others
[12:46] Manul Rotaru: this event is such a good idea, and the intention behind is just great :)
[12:47] Manul Rotaru: laters, Tasha

Becca Moulliez works on her Star Hull

2009-05-29T13:36:00.000-07:00

On Friday May 29th, Becca Moulliez showed up at Tradewinds and rezzed the hull she started working on for her star using the Sculpt Studio

[10:03] Becca Moulliez: that's what im shaping
[10:03] Tasha Kostolany: wow and your doing that with the sculpt studio?
[10:04] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:04] Becca Moulliez: unfinished obviously

[10:04] Tasha Kostolany: all one prim or keel is extra?
[10:04] Becca Moulliez: keel's extra
[10:04] Tasha Kostolany: I would love to see your sculpt thing
[10:04] Becca Moulliez: come over ill tp you

[10:06] Becca Moulliez: welcome :)
[10:07] Tasha Kostolany: so is this what made the shape you just showed me
[10:07] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:07] Becca Moulliez: look

[10:07] Tasha Kostolany: hmmmmmm how can you tell what its going to look like
[10:08] Tasha Kostolany: oh with those balls
[10:09] Tasha Kostolany: ok so every layer you activate creates more balls and balls are prims
[10:09] Becca Moulliez: every slice is a section of a cylinder
[10:09] Tasha Kostolany: right
[10:09] Becca Moulliez: and each slice has 32 points
[10:09] Becca Moulliez: you need to edit only half of them since you mirror [the other side]
[10:10] Tasha Kostolany: so 32x32 = 1024

[10:10] Becca Moulliez: look here [i](Becca changes the position of the right side of the slice and the hits mirror from a menu window and the other side falls into place) [/i]
[10:10] Tasha Kostolany: oh wow
[10:10] Tasha Kostolany: this is pretty easy
[10:11] Tasha Kostolany: you tell it to mirror in a menu?
[10:11] Becca Moulliez: yea
[10:11] Becca Moulliez: here
[10:11] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[10:12] Becca Moulliez: okay
[10:12] Tasha Kostolany: so spacing between slices, it just understands?
[10:12] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:12] Becca Moulliez: now a link will appear in chat
[10:12] Becca Moulliez: click on it
[10:12] Becca Moulliez: then preview
[10:13] Becca Moulliez: that's what we have :)
[10:13] Becca Moulliez: and if you click on map
[10:13] Becca Moulliez: you'll get your shape's texture ready
[10:13] Tasha Kostolany: what is a preview look like?
[10:14] Becca Moulliez: can you see the kink in chat?
[10:14] Becca Moulliez: Your result: (took 22.621190 seconds) [i](it took my computer a long time to load this-- you need to be the owner see it)[/i]

http://re.sculpties.info/fini/9917730e-4a35-40ef-9bf6-ea398b5e8e65/Sculptie_1Q2jOpvxU3lyUfSp.html
[10:14] Becca Moulliez: that's it
[10:14] Becca Moulliez: maybe is for owner only
[10:14] Tasha Kostolany: oh there it is

[10:17] Tasha Kostolany: so this is a lot better than I thought it was
[10:17] Becca Moulliez: not that difficult
[10:17] Becca Moulliez: only patience
[10:17] Becca Moulliez: :)
[10:17] Becca Moulliez: but looking at points you have a rough idea of the finished shape
[10:18] Tasha Kostolany: yeah exactly
[10:18] Becca Moulliez: i need only to close the bow
[10:18] Becca Moulliez: and then to make refinements
[10:18] Becca Moulliez: that's all
[10:19] Becca Moulliez: but think its pretty clear how is shaped

[10:19] Tasha Kostolany: so this is like 4,000L for the program?
[10:19] Becca Moulliez: 4,999
[10:20] Becca Moulliez: expensive
[10:20] Tasha Kostolany: $20 usd about
[10:20] Tasha Kostolany: yeah not cheap
[10:20] Tasha Kostolany: BUT if you build a lot
[10:20] Becca Moulliez: well i could not get those results in blender
[10:21] Becca Moulliez: my shape was all rough
[10:21] Becca Moulliez: i need a smooth surface
[10:21] Becca Moulliez: see there the Star?
[10:21] Tasha Kostolany: is there a way of making the slices simi transparent like 80%?
[10:21] Becca Moulliez: well yes i think so
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: but you don't need that
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: theres a menu
[10:22] Tasha Kostolany: because of preview?
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: guiding you
[10:22] Tasha Kostolany: oh
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: yeah that's all menu driven
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: you need only to edit the points
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: then the slice aligns back
[10:22] Becca Moulliez: pressing a button

[10:23] Tasha Kostolany: so the points start out along the outer ring of the circle?
[10:23] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:23] Tasha Kostolany: /nodding
[10:23] Becca Moulliez: exactly
[10:23] Becca Moulliez: you start with a holed cylinder
[10:24] Becca Moulliez: you may shape practically everything
[10:24] Becca Moulliez: far easier than any application
[10:24] Tasha Kostolany: so can you have different spacing between slices?
[10:24] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:24] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[10:24] Becca Moulliez: and there are many functions i have to explore
[10:24] Becca Moulliez: like smoothing etc etc
[10:25] Tasha Kostolany: right
[10:25] Tyler Stevenson is Online
[10:25] Becca Moulliez: theres a support group
[10:25] Becca Moulliez: and a huge site
[10:25] Becca Moulliez: with samples etc etc

[10:26] Tasha Kostolany: yeah I was in the support group in the past -- I almost bought this but then I went and watched someone building a motor bike engine and it looked complicated, then Manul sort of liked blender so I thought I would try that first
[10:26] Becca Moulliez: yes but once again i could not obtain a smooth shape in blender
[10:27] Becca Moulliez: just selecting a section in blender is a pain
[10:28] Becca Moulliez: and when you move something gets all rough
[10:28] Tasha Kostolany: well this makes a lot more sense then the bike engine I was looking at
[10:28] Becca Moulliez: well this is just the best thing i found to shape sculpties

[10:28] Becca Moulliez: but not the only one i mean
[10:29] Tasha Kostolany: I suppose you could take the sculptie texture back into blender to "paint" the image texture
[10:29] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:29] Becca Moulliez: sure
[10:29] Becca Moulliez: its a generic tga

[10:31] Becca Moulliez: This needs refinements
[10:32] Becca Moulliez: but not that much actually
[10:32] Becca Moulliez: bigger boats may need multiple shapes
[10:32] Tasha Kostolany: right
[10:32] Tasha Kostolany: which wouldn't be difficult really
[10:32] Becca Moulliez: the 44 ive seen last night was composed of about 8 parts
[10:32] Becca Moulliez: yeah
[10:33] Tasha Kostolany: the 44 I think is not sculpties
[10:33] Tasha Kostolany: I might be wrong
[10:33] Becca Moulliez: but you may rezz as many studios you need

[10:34] Becca Moulliez: see this is a new studio
[10:35] Becca Moulliez: this is a fresh new one

[10:36] Tasha Kostolany: so can you tell it how tall and wide you want it to be to start?
[10:36] Becca Moulliez: yes
[10:36] Tasha Kostolany: is it free updates?
[10:36] Becca Moulliez: yeah
[10:37] Tasha Kostolany: I should take pictures of this and put it on the blog
[10:37] Becca Moulliez: okay :)

[10:54] Tasha Kostolany: so is it different because of the way you have stretched the prim ?
[10:54] Becca Moulliez: yes sure
[10:54] Becca Moulliez: plus this is a sphere

[10:59] Becca Moulliez: that's hows the actual shape
[10:59] Tasha Kostolany: so that -- the yellow is really it then ?
[10:59] Becca Moulliez: yeah
[10:59] Becca Moulliez: ill smooth each slice

[11:04] Becca Moulliez: and you may auto-adjust each slice
[11:04] Becca Moulliez: i still have to learn it lol
[11:05] Tasha Kostolany: how long have you been working with this?
[11:05] Becca Moulliez: 3 days 3 hours total :)
[11:05] Tasha Kostolany: :) that's pretty exact
[11:05] Becca Moulliez: so ... i guess i can do much better :)
[11:06] Becca Moulliez: but if you look closely even the fizz and the shelly are far from perfect
[11:06] Tasha Kostolany: yeah
[11:06] Becca Moulliez: i dunno where Mothgirl got her shapes but i got the impression she didn't have a big knowledge at the time
[11:07] Tasha Kostolany: they cover up the (I don;t know what you call it) the mold point with regular prims
[11:07] Becca Moulliez: okay
[11:07] Becca Moulliez: well the Fizz is composed of 4 shapes
[11:08] Becca Moulliez: the hull only
[11:08] Tasha Kostolany: right the back stern is a standard prim as well as the bow point

[11:08] Becca Moulliez: yeah
[11:08] Becca Moulliez: that's what i think you have to do
[11:09] Tasha Kostolany: its hiding those crinkled mold points
[11:09] Becca Moulliez: yeah

[11:10] Becca Moulliez: but once again i have the impression that Mothgirl got some help
[11:10] Becca Moulliez: you dont realize thats a mix
[11:11] Becca Moulliez: of sculpts and prims
[11:12] Tasha Kostolany: no I think she did it all herself, however she just told me recently that Alan just made her a 1 prim hull for the fizz but Mothgirl said although its excellent, it might make customizing the paint jobs very difficult for most people
[11:12] Tasha Kostolany: thanks becca I'll get this all on the net
[11:12] Becca Moulliez: yw :)
[11:12] Becca Moulliez: laters :)

Nomad Zamani build for the Builders Show

2009-05-27T13:58:00.000-07:00

On Wed May 27 Nomad Zamani sailed into Tradewinds aboard a log with a sail and he spoke about his submission to the Boat Builders how

[12:30] Nomad Zamani: Hi Tasha
[12:31] Tasha Kostolany: that's cute
[12:31] Nomad Zamani: That's the famous Log
[12:32] Nomad Zamani: got many entries for the DIY boat building competition?
[12:32] Tasha Kostolany: I did!!!
[12:32] [12:32] Tasha Kostolany: is it a fast log?
[12:32] Nomad Zamani: fairly
[12:32] Nomad Zamani: fast for RL, but probably a bit slow for SL does about 12kts in a 20kt wind,
[12:33] Tasha Kostolany: the log has a nice keel
[12:33] Nomad Zamani: I might make the stones a bit bigger
[12:34] Nomad Zamani: still messing with alignments and stuff
[12:34] Tasha Kostolany: Are you having fun with the fizz kit? Have you made many adjustments from the default?
[12:34] Nomad Zamani: oh yes - been waiting for it since the boat show last year
[12:35] Nomad Zamani: a few
[12:35] Nomad Zamani: this is single sail
[12:35] Nomad Zamani: and I change the behavior to give automated crew movement while keeping the sails manual
[12:35] Nomad Zamani: like a mix of novice and competition modes
[12:36] Nomad Zamani: I'm not doing dinghies, so no need for hiking and all that
[12:36] Nomad Zamani: and I like to sail in mouselook
[12:36] Tasha Kostolany: Does it ask you when you board it if you want novice, fun, competition etc still?
[12:36] Nomad Zamani: yes
[12:36] Nomad Zamani: well, novice or competition at the moment
[12:37] Tasha Kostolany: is it the default sails?
[12:37] Nomad Zamani: The Tako version got quite famous at NYC
[12:37] Nomad Zamani: default sail, but resized and repositioned
[12:38] Tasha Kostolany: cool
[12:38] Nomad Zamani: Still need to do the mainsheet
[12:38] Nomad Zamani: and the bow wake
[12:38] Tasha Kostolany: is that a matter of setting the particle spray?
[12:39] Nomad Zamani: you have to set the coords in a notecard
[12:39] Nomad Zamani: same as for the sail
[12:39] Tasha Kostolany: So how long did it take you to play around with the settings to kind of understand what you needed to do?
[12:40] Nomad Zamani: a day or two
[12:40] Tasha Kostolany: that's pretty good
[12:40] Nomad Zamani: I played with the first release at first, then I heard there was a v1.01
[12:40] Nomad Zamani: so I had a grasp of things when the second release came.
[12:41] Tasha Kostolany: just for other people's benefit, you think the average person could grasp this if they wanted to play with it?
[12:41] Tasha Kostolany: I mean the kit
[12:41] Nomad Zamani: I think it needs some experience with building
[12:41] Tasha Kostolany: right working with prims?
[12:41] Nomad Zamani: stuff like positioning the sails is quite fiddly
[12:41] Tasha Kostolany: gotcha
[12:42] Nomad Zamani: and you have to use the prescribed method
[12:42] Nomad Zamani: so, a beginner builder might struggle a bit
[12:42] Nomad Zamani: but someone with reasonable experience should manage
[12:42] Nomad Zamani: I had the basics worked out on the early release, which didn't have as much docs
[12:42] Tasha Kostolany: did you find it pretty clear in the documentation?
[12:43] Nomad Zamani: but the docs seem okay
[12:43] Nomad Zamani: but I'm not a novice builder, so it's hard to say how others would get along
[12:44] Tasha Kostolany: right
[12:44] Nomad Zamani: I build and script, so the interaction between the notecards and the rest of it was straightforward for the most part
[12:44] Nomad Zamani: I know what the notecards are being used for, in other words
[12:44] Tasha Kostolany: right
[12:44] Nomad Zamani: so, I understand the numbers
[12:45] Tasha Kostolany: yeah that was the hardest thing to get my head around -- regarding the numbers in the Moth's fizz 3 boat for modifying its skins but I finally got it
[12:45] Nomad Zamani: you mean the UUIDs for textures?
[12:46] Tasha Kostolany: I wish there was documentation in the notecards themselves that would be invisible to the script such as "//" [but maybe that would lag the boat]
[12:46] Tasha Kostolany: yeah
[12:46] Nomad Zamani: aye, the notecards are a bit terse, but the docs themselves cover most of what's in them
[12:46] Tasha Kostolany: right
[12:47] Tasha Kostolany: so its there you just have to read it
[12:47] Nomad Zamani: yeah, pretty much

[12:49] Tasha Kostolany: thanks Nomad for entering
[12:49] Tasha Kostolany: this is going to be a lot of fun
[12:49] Nomad Zamani: my pleasure
[12:49] Nomad Zamani: I really want to see this technology get used
[12:50] Tasha Kostolany: I do too!!!!!!!!! its the reason we're doing this
[12:50] Nomad Zamani: yep, I thought that
[12:50] Tasha Kostolany: and I think its approachable for the serious builder too
[12:50] Nomad Zamani: one of the things I'd like is for boats of all types to be able to shadow each other
[12:50] Tasha Kostolany: yep
[12:50] Tasha Kostolany: you saw the updates moth did to the tako 2.0 scrpt?
[12:51] Nomad Zamani: oh yes - I'd say that anyone who's managed a decent effort on the Tako 2.0 scripts will be okay with this
[12:51] Nomad Zamani: yeah, that was a good move
[12:51] Tasha Kostolany: she's amazing
[12:51] Nomad Zamani: as long as the established builders make use of them
[12:51] Tasha Kostolany: love her!!!!

[12:52] Nomad Zamani: oh, want to see the 10m keelboat?
[12:52] Tasha Kostolany: yeah!!!

[12:53] Nomad Zamani: that's a bit faster than the log
[12:54] Nomad Zamani: sculpty hull and keel
[12:54] Tasha Kostolany: what sculptie program are yo using?
[12:54] Nomad Zamani: Sculpt Studio
[12:54] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[12:54] Tasha Kostolany: and your thoughts on that?
[12:54] Nomad Zamani: good
[12:54] Nomad Zamani: very good
[12:54] Nomad Zamani: very usable
[12:55] Nomad Zamani: in-world tool means it's easier to see what you're doing in context
[12:55] Tasha Kostolany: are you using like osgrid to upload and test your sculptie textures before bring them into sl?
[12:55] Nomad Zamani: nah, can't be bothered running two clients
[12:56] Nomad Zamani: I was running a bunch of regions in OSG, but got bored with it
[12:56] Tasha Kostolany: what about how many attempts before you got kind of what you wanted?
[12:56] Nomad Zamani: depends on the sculpt
[12:56] Nomad Zamani: the hull was 10 or 11, but the keel was only 2 or 3
[12:56] Nomad Zamani: still have more to do on the hull
[12:56] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[12:57] Nomad Zamani: it takes less iterations as you get used to it
[12:57] Nomad Zamani: easier to predict what the end result will look like
[12:57] Tasha Kostolany: what about texturing it? what programs do you plan on using?
[12:57] Nomad Zamani: I'll probably leave it plain coloured, but with a menu for changing colour and shine
[12:58] Tasha Kostolany: awwww [Nomad clicks the boat and the hull changes to various color shades]
[12:58] Tasha Kostolany: that's not in the kit or is it?
[12:58] Nomad Zamani: No, I wrote that for a plane that I made
[12:58] Tasha Kostolany: cool ok
[12:58] Nomad Zamani: the log has it as well, for the burgee
[12:59] Tasha Kostolany: well this is neat!!!

[13:02] Tasha Kostolany: so the configuration between your keel boat and the log, are they about the same settings or are you going to make it work a lot differently?
[13:03] Nomad Zamani: The log is heavy with keel and hull weighing about the same
[13:03] Nomad Zamani: the keelboat is about the same weight, but goes faster
[13:03] Nomad Zamani: less drag, I think
[13:03] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[13:04] Nomad Zamani: the keelboat is similar speed-wise to the Tako

[13:04] Nomad Zamani: the plan is to do the log dead cheap to encourage people to try WWC boats with windshadow
[13:05] Nomad Zamani: the keelboat, hopefully, might become a popular casual racer
[13:05] Tasha Kostolany: oh like a fun shelly?
[13:05] Nomad Zamani: yes - a fun SHelly that can be sailed in mouselook
[13:05] Nomad Zamani: can't steer the Shelly in mouselook, which a show stopper for me

[13:06] Tasha Kostolany: well ok let me capture this and get it on the net
[13:06] Nomad Zamani: righto
[13:07] Nomad Zamani: seeya later :)

SL Founders Day -- Kanker Greenacre

2009-05-22T15:53:00.000-07:00

Father of SL Sailing -- Kanker Greenacre

Saturday, May 23m 2009
11:30 am slt Grand Sail in the Tako from Tradewinds Yacht Club
12:00 noon – 1:00 pm Live DJ Dance, Beach Party
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/189/34/23

Go visit his land and grab a free Tako or the great Tako 3.2
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Gray/30/159/23

-- Show off your best skin Tako
-- Kanker Greenacre look alike contest
-- Go visit the SL Sailing History Museum.

Today is Kanker Greenacre’s rezz day and we wish to celebrate this – our founders day -- although our party will be next Saturday.

Kanker Greenacre, is the father of SL sailing. He was born 5/16/2003 and it was Kanker who came up with the idea of making a sailboat that would work off of SL wind. He then created the first ever group dedicated to SL sailing – the SLSF

Certainly someone would have come up with the notion of trying to use the Second Life platform as a simulation for sailing at some point along the continuum of time, but Kanker was so far ahead of everyone – miles and miles ahead – there is NO question that we wouldn’t be even remotely close to where we are now without him.

EVERYTHING points to Kanker’s script – the Tako and the excitement that grew up around that and that alone.

There would be no Blake Sea without Kanker. There would be no USS, No Sailors Cove, No Second Life New England, , no SLSF and this forum board, Of the clubs there would be no Starbaord Yacht Club, no Mowry Bay Yacht Club, no German clubs, no French clubs, no Japanese clubs. Hell, Linden Labs wouldn’t be putting one sim wide ocean around their new cotenants now if there wasn’t a HUGE vibrant community of people involved with boating.

Kanker didn’t do any of those himself, wasn’t materially evolved in any of it, but the community that grew up around sailing did so because of the excitement and enjoyment that flowed from Kanker’s Tako script all of which set in motion and fostered an environment that all of these other creative people came up with.

Mothgirl Dibou’s Fizz and, Jacqueline Trudeau myriad of gorgeous boats both of which are very un-tako like in many ways -- both of these people were HEAVILY influenced on the foundation and excitement around Kanker’s boat. Jacq I’m sure will tell you (and has told us) that she really grew up and learned from Kanker’s script.

Alan Beresford build for the boat show

2009-05-19T09:10:00.000-07:00

On Saturday May 16th Allen contacted me that he had the prim portion of this build finished, or nearly finished for the Fiz Boat Builders contest. I don't want to discourage people because Alan is a professional modeler but I hope you get inspiration and excitement in seeing what other people are doing.

Just so you know, Alan did the prims for the Shelly Fizz

[9:24] Alan Beresford: for now its the final version
[9:24] Tasha Kostolany: wow
[9:24] Alan Beresford: even with other colors
[9:24] Tasha Kostolany: what sculpt program do you use?
[9:24] Alan Beresford: Sculpt Studio
[9:25] Alan Beresford: its an inworld tool
[9:25] Tasha Kostolany: right I looked at that pretty closely almost bought it
[9:25] Alan Beresford: its awesome and easy
[9:26] Tasha Kostolany: I was a little disappointed that the sculpt thing you work from doesn't look exactly like the finished product
[9:26] Alan Beresford: i think i can make the boat a bit wider
[9:26] Tasha Kostolany: sculpt studio I'm talking about
[9:27] Tasha Kostolany: at least that was my impression
[9:27] Alan Beresford: yap
[9:27] Tasha Kostolany: like how many uploads do you have to do on average to get what you want?
[9:28] Alan Beresford: hmm at the beginning of my sculpting work in Sl, 10 uploads per sculptie
[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: wow I like the thick mast
[9:28] Tasha Kostolany: that's about how it really is
[9:29] Alan Beresford: this boat is a Replica of the awesome WallyNano, in RL
[9:30] Tasha Kostolany: we'll have an inworld show in June
[9:30] Tasha Kostolany: and people can come and see it in person
[9:30] Alan Beresford: yes at the 15th?
[9:30] Tasha Kostolany: yeah roughly
[9:30] Alan Beresford: ok
[9:32] Alan Beresford: i like the clean design of the Wally Boats
[9:32] Tasha Kostolany: yeah have you ever been on one?
[9:32] Alan Beresford: no
[9:32] Alan Beresford: i know it only from the website
[9:35] Tasha Kostolany: are you sculpting the sails?
[9:35] Alan Beresford: yap, i must
[9:35] Alan Beresford: not yet
[9:35] Alan Beresford: that will be the hardest part
[9:36] Tasha Kostolany: is everything a sculpt? or almost everything?
[9:36] Alan Beresford: everything
[9:36] Alan Beresford: oh no, on normal prim
[9:36] Alan Beresford: moment i show you
[9:37] Alan Beresford: the pike at the front
[9:37] Alan Beresford: its for sailing with jib
[9:37] Alan Beresford: it will automatically come out if you sail with the jib
[9:37] Tasha Kostolany: right I read its a self taking jib so one person can sail her
[9:38] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:38] Alan Beresford: and we will make one place for a passenger
[9:39] Tasha Kostolany: yeah ok, the fizz script can handle up to 4
[9:39] Alan Beresford: ah
[9:39] Tasha Kostolany: but for every person you have to have a prim for them
[9:39] Alan Beresford: and the passenger will change the animations an positions
[9:40] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:40] Tasha Kostolany: so max prims if 4 people is 27
[9:40] Tasha Kostolany: you have 28
[9:40] Tasha Kostolany: so far
[9:40] Alan Beresford: haha+
[9:40] Alan Beresford: no
[9:40] Alan Beresford: this boat can have more
[9:40] Alan Beresford: for 4 persons you need 28 prims
[9:40] Tasha Kostolany: as an attachment?
[9:40] Alan Beresford: no
[9:41] Alan Beresford: i only will have two persons on this boat, not more
[9:41] Tasha Kostolany: 27 prims for boat + 4 prims for people = 32 prims max with no attachments
[9:41] Tasha Kostolany: so only 2 people means 32 prims max - 2 is 30 prims for boat
[9:42] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:42] Tasha Kostolany: the sails will be prims though
[9:42] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:42] Alan Beresford: i have 3 cubes in thy boat hull
[9:42] Alan Beresford: its for the sails
[9:42] Tasha Kostolany: awwww :)
[9:42] Alan Beresford: placeholder
[9:43] Tasha Kostolany: if you have a starboard sail and a port sail, I don't know
[9:43] Tasha Kostolany: not sure how that works
[9:43] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[9:44] Alan Beresford: it will be sculpted and the script will mirror the sail
[9:44] Alan Beresford: for both sides
[9:44] Tasha Kostolany: can I add our talk here -- some of it -- with our pictures?
[9:44] Alan Beresford: like in the fizz
[9:44] Tasha Kostolany: is that how it works?
[9:44] Tasha Kostolany: mirror
[9:44] Alan Beresford: yes, and sculptiechange
[9:45] Alan Beresford: i think
[9:45] Tasha Kostolany: does it flip the sculptie texture or use another prim and make the first invisible
[9:45] Alan Beresford: im not a scripter, that's my problem
[9:45] Alan Beresford: i can build but i must wait for scripters
[9:46] Alan Beresford: we will flip and mirror the sculptie sail
[9:46] Tasha Kostolany: neat
[9:46] Alan Beresford: i hope all that will work, haha
[9:46] Tasha Kostolany: I like how the mast has a slight bend backward
[9:47] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:47] Alan Beresford: this is the first final build, i think we will change something
[9:48] Alan Beresford: we can bake the textures in 3D studio max
[9:48] Tasha Kostolany: make it pretty in every way
[9:49] Alan Beresford: this boat will be a tribute to the real Wally boats if we finish it
[9:49] Tasha Kostolany: is 3d studio max easy to use you think?
[9:49] Alan Beresford: hmm better than Blender
[9:49] Alan Beresford: easier
[9:49] Tasha Kostolany: for textures on the sculpts?
[9:49] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:49] Tasha Kostolany: you have a background in working with 3-d modeling?
[9:50] Alan Beresford: we test a bit, and soon we can do awesome texture jobs
[9:50] Alan Beresford: yes, im a Product designer
[9:51] Alan Beresford: i work with some CAD Programs
[9:51] Tasha Kostolany: wow that's how you did this so fast
[9:51] Alan Beresford: hmm, maybe, if i have a awesome idea i must build it
[9:51] Tasha Kostolany: lol fantastic!!!
[9:52] Alan Beresford: and if the building flow comes over me im in trance
[9:52] Alan Beresford: its like a drug
[9:52] Alan Beresford: i must do it and i must make the next , and the next and the next
[9:52] Alan Beresford: hope you understand what i mean
[9:53] Tasha Kostolany: yes yes I totally understand
[9:53] Alan Beresford: its so cool to build thing in this awesome virtual world
[9:53] Tasha Kostolany: you are very rewarded in a happy feeling way about doing this kind of work
[9:53] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:54] Alan Beresford: its everytime the same, all my work
[9:54] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[9:54] Alan Beresford: i cant do custom work if i don't like the thing i must build
[9:55] Tasha Kostolany: yes
[9:55] Tasha Kostolany: I understand that feeling
[9:55] Tasha Kostolany: and if you like it you want to stay up all night working on it
[9:55] Alan Beresford: yes
[9:56] Tasha Kostolany: you might be able to do some of the scripting yourself, Mothgirl is dutch and I think there is a German version of instructions
[9:56] Alan Beresford: yes i know
[9:56] Tasha Kostolany: and its made for people that don;t do coding
[9:56] Alan Beresford: but i know, my scripter is an RL Sailor
[9:56] Tasha Kostolany: far out!!!
[9:56] Alan Beresford: he is very good i scripting
[9:56] Tasha Kostolany: I think your coder will like it
[9:57] Alan Beresford: but im not
[9:57] Tasha Kostolany: let me know what they think
[9:57] Alan Beresford: he likes it
[9:57] Tasha Kostolany: :)
[9:57] Alan Beresford: yesterday we bought the Kit
[9:57] Tasha Kostolany: fantastic
[9:57] Alan Beresford: and this boat will be the first we do

[9:59] Tasha Kostolany: I'll tell you when I have it on the web
[9:59] Tasha Kostolany: keep me informed on progress this is exciting
[10:00] Tasha Kostolany: ILOVE seeing other people make boats
[10:00] Alan Beresford: me too

The TYC 2009 Fizz Boat Builders Show

2009-05-13T16:05:00.000-07:00

For Info contact Tasha Kostolany

Registration form:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=ck1lNG9tVi1DOG9YWDV4XzBPN252UWc6MA..

Registration List:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rMe4omV-C8oXX5x_0O7nvQg

Fizz Boat Builder Kit can be purchased for 1L at the TYC Boat Store
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/136/60/25

With the release of the Boat Builders Kit (powered by the script Fizz engine) NOW anyone that can work with prims and textures can build their own boat around such an advanced Kernel of cool scripts, using the stunning Fizz 3 engine. Now many people can achieve a sailboat which is full of technical progress, and state of the art scripts.

We want to celebrate this WONDERFUL advancement in letting people create boats in SL and the incredible versatility of the script engine to adapt itself to any size and type boat

Each month on the 15th for a few days, we will hold a progress show where each entered contestant will display their boat they are working on and ribbons will be given out in each class and each division for

Best Looking low prim boat (32 prims and under)
Best looking attached wearable boat (over 32 prims)
Most Accurate working boat based on Class from real life
Best Over All – First month (first time entry)
Best Over All – Improved (ribbon will be given starting month 2 and based on improvement from the previous month)

On December 15th – the final show of the year Final Ribbons will be awarded – the boats will be judged on the highest quality for the year and cash prizes will be awarded. For builders who build from scratch the biggest prize will be a lot of people will want to buy their boat. in the Adapted category where their creation won't be re-sellable, a big cash prize will be given

There will be two divisions that people can work from

A) Building from scratch using the Fizz Kit and its derivative components. The builder / participant is expected that all additional prims (not in the kit) are created by themselves . No outside purchased hulls shapes or sails are allowed. The textures used are either made by themselves or are open sourced full perm textures available to all boat builders (not purchased textures). This is for the advanced boat modeler.

B) Adapting and "tricking out" a boat. Here we want to see people take parts of other boats or purchased parts and combine their own creativity to come up with some amazing creations

Classifications that builders can enter in, either adapting or building from scratch

"Dinghy"
"Surfboard"
"Hydrofoil"
"Multihull"
"Keelboat"
"Gaff Rigged/Workboats"

If you go the attached prim route no boats over 256 prims

The whole idea is to get an environment where people aren't afraid to start and works in progress are encouraged.

Need a place to work on yor boat? Come to Tradewinds where all sailors are welcome to work on their boats, just clean up after yourself and be kind. In fact we would LOVE to see you working on your boats with us and other builders

Big Turn out for the Mowry Bay Cruisers

2009-03-25T19:59:00.000-07:00

On March 24, Tradewinds played host to the Mowry Bay Cruising Club, the second time. Where they started from out new home and went to Croco Caplin's marina in Slapdoogle

According to Manul and Tory it was the best attended cruise to date -- Yea!!!!!!!!

New Home for TYC

2009-03-25T19:21:00.000-07:00

We are proud to announce the new home for Tradewinds Yacht Club and we couldn’t be happier in its location or who is our hostess.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/187/32/24

Liv and Tasha set up on March 18th

M1sha Dallin has offered her land in Dex as the new site for the yacht club and it faces protected water to the south on the mainland which offers amazing opportunities both to racing and cursing. We are doubly excited because M1sha is such an important part of the Tradewinds family

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dex/187/32/24

The Long Awaited Flying Fizz 3.0 Released

2009-03-13T10:39:00.000-07:00

Fizz 3 Presentation by Mothgirl Dibou

First fizz 3 race at WYC - Prestart

First fizz 3 race at WYC - Start - Takeshi Shnyder leading the pack

Massy Johin wins first Fizz 3 race

Mark this date, Friday March 13th, 2009, a date that will be important to history as on this date Mothgirl's Flying Fizz 3.0 was released to the public and most appropriately to the community of sailing racers that are the most active in SL at the moment -- our Japanese bothers and sisters. The boat was unveiled at Waypoint yacht Club.

Directly after Mothgirl Dibou's presentation (all in Japanese, boat builders sometimes turn out to have some hidden talents ) Taku Raymaker hosted the first Fizz 3 races.
Massy Johin confidently won race 1, beating the rising star of Fizzing for the last 2 months, Miwha Masala, on the line. Toraba Magic followed them at a short distance.

In race 2 Massy showed this first win was not just a lucky one and we may hear more from him: he decisively beat the fleet by more than a full minute. Miwha was 2nd again, Yuu Nakamichi 3rd.

Race results:

Race 1

Winner: Massy Johin! Race time: +00:13:19
Runner up: Miwha Masala Time Lost
#3 Toraba Magic! Race time: +00:13:40
#4: Odysseus Yiyuan! Race time: +00:15:06
#5: Takeshi Schnyder! Race time: +00:19:39

Takeshi Schnyder starts at time +00:00:15
Odysseus Yiyuan starts at time +00:00:22
Toraba Magic starts at time +00:00:31
Massy Johin starts at time +00:00:31

Race 2:

1: Massy Johin - +00:12:39
2: Miwha Masala - +00:13:48
3: Yuu Nakamichi - +00:13:50
4: Odysseus Yiyuan - +00:14:01
5: Toraba Magic - +00:14:33
6: Takeshi Schnyder - +00:16:18

Lap Times:
Odysseus Yiyuan-- lap 0: +00:00:14
Miwha Masala-- lap 0: +00:00:32
Takeshi Schnyder-- lap 0: +00:00:41
Yuu Nakamichi-- lap 0: +00:00:41
Toraba Magic-- lap 0: +00:01:04
Massy Johin-- lap 0: +00:01:23
Massy Johin-- lap 1: +00:12:39
Miwha Masala-- lap 1: +00:13:48
Yuu Nakamichi-- lap 1: +00:13:50

Radio Controlled Boat Races

2009-03-03T11:50:00.000-08:00

SophieLauren Allen and Manul Rotaru kicked off TYC's new RC (remote control) sailboat races March 2rd behind the clubhouse at the start line. The boats are yoy versions of a J class racer made by Jacqueline Trudeau are availabele for sale in the clubhouse. The races are just for fun and the boats are pretty easy to work

The Release of the VOJ 70 Volvo Ocean Raceboat from WildWind

2009-02-11T08:47:00.000-08:00

Anouncing the release of the new VOJ 70 Volvo Ocean Raceboat from WildWind. You can see some of the details on the pics. The gennaker shape is in sculpted prims, the great hull and mast detailing from Corry Kamachi.

The boat is NOW AVAILABLE att eh TYC docks

Just like the RL one it has a rotating keel too, with 5 control ''lights'' at the back of the boat so you can see what position it is in.

Nice is also that it uses an autorezzer.. which makes you feel you step into the boat rather than on a poseball and wear it.

Scripting is smooth and it causes very little to no lag. The boat can be both hud- and gesture controlled.The windshadow system is similar to the WildWind AJ-C2, which was extensively tested by Disisme Misfit, Liv Leigh and several others.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sea%20of%20Jazz/61/116/22

Some Beta test pictures

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sea%20of%20Jazz/61/116/22

:)

TYC Race Directors Proved Themselves

2009-02-04T08:38:00.000-08:00

Liv Leigh: (Saved Wed Feb 04 08:32:06 2009) hi tasha, this is a pic someone made at Hans Zinneman's Matchracing Ladder Trophy ceremony. TYC race directors proved themselves good match racers in the 2008 season. At the end of the season at January 31st 2009, Liv Leigh took home 1st place in the ACA, ACC, Flying Fizz and Flying Tako classes, winning 4 out of 6 match racing ladders. Also the Skutsje ladder was won by one of our race directors: Ahjep Kattun, the ''skutsje king'' took that one home

http://zinnemann.com/ladder.asp
here is the link to the sailing match racing ladders

the Zinnemann z40 Ladder was won by Alain Gloster btw

TYC Boatshow Closes

2008-12-12T01:48:00.001-08:00

We want to thank everyone who took part in the TYC 2008 Boat Show that ran from december 2nd through the 11th. It was a lot of fun putting on again this year and it was a tremendous amount of work -- but it was personally rewarding to us.

The show ended abruptly which is unfortunate but I think in the large scheme of things we had a little over a week run which was actually more than last year.

The show was in the sim donated by disisme Misfity, she informed me (Tasha) December 12th that the gift was going to be withdrawn.

Personally I think it was a kick-ass boat show and the response from everyone but the smallest of a handful was nothing but overwhelmingly positive. The Tradewinds Yacht club have put two of these shows on now and the response from the public to this one was even greater than before. The boat builders made a great deal of money, and we couldn't be happier for them. I, Tasha, want to personally thank Liv who was one of our officers in this show and worked really hard in the background, RJ for all his help with the build and the preparations. Dis for her generous offer of a full sim (that isn't cheap) and who worked about as hard as I did helping people and being around during the show and the design of the marina. There was a couple of other people that deserve mentioning. Manul Rotaru put in countless hours working in the background for me advising on some of the lessor known boat builders and was continually submitting new ideas, he never wanted any recognition but as all of us in the boat world know, no one is more knowledgeable then he. Also Dildo Spitz's beautiful photography which can still be seen. I'm just amazed at her talent and I bow down to her in her art.

Mothgirl Dibou -- the Future of Sailing and the Flying Fizz 3

2008-12-10T20:16:00.000-08:00

[12:03] Welcome all. I prepared a little speech for you. It's long. Lol But I'll do it fast. So pay attention.

[12:03] Mothgirl Dibou: I'd like to start with the Tako and Kanker Greenacre. It must have been hell to create those Tako's in a premature SL environment, where things that seem to work one day, would be useless the next. We tend to forget that in his days SL had limited possibilities. He was pioneering and he found solutions that somehow worked. Workarounds or compromises if you want. He would probably have developed our sailboats to levels we cannot imagine today, if he was still active in SL today.

[12:04] Mothgirl Dibou: We still use every solution he came up with in those days. With solutions i mean the way the sails handle, the way the boat heals, the way he used banking, the way we move the sheet, the way we use the camera, the commands raise, lower and moor. Let's be honest, all we really did was add a few features like windshadow, apparent wind and capsizing.

[12:04] Mothgirl Dibou: Things keep changing around us in SL. Over time, new scripting and rendering possibilities opened up, we keep having ideas of things we would like to improve about the sailing experience. We all love Kanker's scripts, they're great and they continue to serve us well, but I always felt we can do things differently, and even quite a bit better in some instances. So for me, when I was thinking of were to go from here, I wanted to leave this safe world and push out and beyond and create new footprints in the sand beyond where we are now and that means standing on our own feet.

[12:05] Mothgirl Dibou: To do that, let's think what we need to make a boat sail and forget everything we know about SL sailing as it is today. Not to throw away the heracy, but to move forward from where we all stopped, including me. Can you do that? Let's try. : ㋡

[12:06] Mothgirl Dibou: First, we need wind! We forget the present day wind with it's gusts and shifts that are the same wherever you are. So we need a good windsetter One that supports local variations to the wind, to make it appear as if it moves around islands And we need a new wind algorithm One that uses windshifts and gusts that travel over the world hitting one boat after another.

[12:07] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next, Current! : Owen's current model is very advanced, totally awesome if you ask me. It fills up an omission in the original SL design. But it is not yet available everywhere and not very flexible at the moment : In the meantime we need a workable model A simple one that we can change at the startline, but still supporting current flows around islands and fluctuations with water depth

[12:08] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next thing we need is Waves! The water in SL is completely flat Owen introduced waves in his ACC and I followed with my Trimaran and my Fizz But these waves are nothing more than a little bobbing around with no real effect In RL waves will set you back, they influence your steering, they can make you nose dive or capsize and can even make you surf on them. Waves are currently computed on every boat separately. But waves don't work that way. They travel. And they hit one boat after the other. So we need a setter and an algorithm for waves as well.

[12:09] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Surprise, surprise, all this is present in the new WWC setter today :-)

[12:09] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next thing we need is something really vital: Feel! When you sail a dinghy in RL, you feel the waves, you feel the wind and you feel your boat respond. In SL all we have is numbers to sail by. Everything is imaginary. So let's forget those. We need to make the boat move as it should. We need a moving mainsheet and also sheet for the jib and the gennaker. We need changing telltales, changing sailshapes, the lots!: In fact we need a boat where only the hull is fixed and everything else moves, changes shape or rotates around it.

[12:10] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: The Fizz has 31 parts, including the 2 avatars My new boat now has 22 moving parts, leaving only 9 fixed parts and even those move with the waves, the speed and the heel. And the good news is, I found a way to make these movements instantly, without lag, making the boat feel "Alive"!

[12:11] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next is balancing the boat: In RL you hike or use your trapeze and you play with the sheet. Balancing your boat is the most important thing when you're out there Without balance your boat will be slow, your rudder will hardly work and you cannot plane. So lets increase the effect of boat heel on boat speed in a realistic way and at the same time give the sailors the ability to adjust this heel more than they are used to. : We need an extra hike option, that is limited in use, just like your belly muscles.

[12:12] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next is the sheethandling: Kanker once decided that the tako sail would be optimal at 0.5 times the wind dir. We later changed this to 0.5 times the apparent wind but we still use this as a given fact, whereas it was only a compromise at that time. In RL, the sail angle is optimal when the air flow is optimal creating a pressure in the sail. And the airflow depends on things like sail shape, boat speed, disturbances and even boat heel. So if we forget the 50% rule and get rid of the digits, we need something to show this windflow. We should add telltales to the sails and get rid of the sheet handling in degrees. The sail/sheet only needs 5 steps: flapping, loose, optimal, tight, too tight. To not make it all too easy, the sheets for main, jib and gennaker should be separate. And this in turn gives great options for dealing with an inbalance between those three.

[12:14] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next is sail trim: In RL your boat will be terrible to sail if the sailtrim is not good. In the Fizz 2 I introduced sailtrim but we need to make it a vital part in sailing, with separate trimming for the main and the jib With visualization of the sailshape in the sail itself and with huge effects on speed, heel, wave handling and boat handling.

[12:15] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next is the speed: A boat should have a realistic speed. Right now we are in a circle making the boats faster and faster (I am guilty too) But at the same time we added something like apparent wind A boat that sails almost twice as fast as it should will have a smaller apparent wind angle This is why you cant sail much higher upwind than 50 degrees in a fizz 2

[12:16] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: We need to slow our boat down by about 1.8 times A realistic speed. And this new speed will make sim crossings a lot more smooth and get rid of the arcade game reflexes you need at the moment.

[12:16] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Next is windshadowing: In RL a boat can block your wind, but when you sail behind it, you will find that you are going slower than it and cannot sail as high upwind as it does. This is because you sail in it's foul wind. The wind is bend slightly by it's sails and has a lot of turbulence in it which disturbs the air flow in your sail. So we need to have both effects implemented, wind blocking and wind bending/disturbing.

[12:17] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: Also, the windshadow becomes much more important because the speed is much lower and the effect boats have on each other therefor lasts longer.

[12:17] Mothgirl Dibou: Next is the view: We sail our boats as if they are helicopters. In RL you sit in the boat, feel the spray on your face, have a half blocked view by sails and crewmembers and you sit low on the water, giving you the feel of going really fast and fighting/using the elements We therefore need a camera angle that is lowered to the level of the RL eye. This way you can see the wave motion and you get a much better feel of what sailing is about. You cannot see the entire field, but with the slow speeds, you have plenty of time to steer when another boat is on a collision course We need a panoramic view to see the boats coming, but it will only be temporary and switch back to normal viewing after a few seconds.

[12:18] Mothgirl Dibou: And last but not least: We also need a very good way to compute speed, heel and boat handling: Kanker once started with the formula: speed = windspeed * sin(boomangle) * sheet efficiency And that was basically it. : Our new scripts should compute
airflow in the sails
effect of one sail on the other
water displacement :
water drag ,
wind drag,
hull efficiency due to heel in 2 directions,
weight of the rig,
crew weight and their individual positions,
momentum of the waves
force and direction of the waves
sail trim
balance between the sails
rudder pressure
down force on the bow
lift due to heel and wind in the sails
planing velocity and max. hull velocity
lift because of hyrofoils underneath the boat (if there are any of course)
balancing effect and momentum of a keel (if present)

People sometimes ask me, what is the optimal angle to sail up wind? There should be no correct answer to this question anymore. Everything you do influences something else. What works for one is useless for someone else. Just like in RL.

[12:21] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: And all this.... All the things i just described, .... and much more, .... : are reality in the new Fizz 3 scripts.

[12:22] Bittersweet Lime: :-) where is the vendor?
[12:22] Orca Flotta: hoozaaa
[12:22] Justyna Huldschinsky: omg
[12:22] Charlz Price: WOOOOOT!!!!
[12:22] Nomad Zamani: yum yum!
[12:22] Liv Leigh: haha.. where s the vendor

[12:22] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: It is what I have been putting all my energy in since april this year. The scripts are completely configured with notecards that take variables like hull width, hull length, sail area, etc. and they are configurable for dingies, keelboats, hydrofoilers, traditional yachts and multihulls

[12:22] Talulah Nomura: .oO~*~ YeeeeeEEEEEEHAAAAAAaaaa!! ~*~Oo.

[12:22] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: They will be available for every boat builder on a commission basis.

[12:22] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: I hope to have the Fizz 3 ready in January, followed by a release of the universal scripts in February or march.

[12:22] Mothgirl Dibou shouts: All I can do is my best, it is up to you to embrace these changes or not :-) Thank you all for listening to me. ㋡any questions ?

[12:23] Liv Leigh: WOOOOOT!!!!
[12:23] Yuu Nakamichi: Hoooo!
[12:23] Nomad Zamani: And thank you for an outstanding effort, MG.
[12:23] Charlz Price: is it january yet?
[12:23] Orca Flotta: Moth, a question: can all this awesomeness be handled by ppl outside of the netherlands?
[12:24] Bittersweet Lime: haha

[12:23] Mothgirl Dibou: :-)

[12:23] Julia Ceres: will you be using a standard for crew weight or will our avi size and weight matter?

[12:24] Mothgirl Dibou: at them moment i use a standard weight, but i think a realistic weight would be much better . it is easy to measure the length of an avi ? but if you prefer high heels on you'd be heavier

[12:25] Liv Leigh: so under certain circumstances we d need to actually sail with heels? even the guys ;)

[12:25] Orca Flotta: lol

[12:25] Mothgirl Dibou: lol, that would certainly help :-) : i said this to describe the problem with measuring height i am not sure about it yet for that reason

[12:24] Liv Leigh: with all the variables described in your story. can you tell us something on the handling? will it be like a jumbo jet with 150 buttons, a space shuttle or will it be not as hard as we fear

[12:24] Mothgirl Dibou: no Liv, the handling will be much, much easier the commands are just a few : there are just 2 gestures needed and the rest is with the keyboard

[12:25] Bittersweet Lime: it is from mothgirl,. it will be god to sail

[12:25] Alisia Student: Is it possible for me to incorporate code into my motor yachts that will get input and react to the output of your windsetters for wave effects?

[12:25] Mothgirl Dibou: sure alicia

[12:26] Orca Flotta: but really, we all know what awesome connections you got in holland. will ppl with lesser quality internet connections be able to use it at all?

[12:27] Mothgirl Dibou: well, most of the server effort will go into the movement of the sails and such. all those things can be switched off in times of lag

[12:27] Liv Leigh: no orca.. in holland we still have cross Atlantic ping times which is a big disadvantage to Americans
[12:27] Orca Flotta: cool :)))
[12:28] Bittersweet Lime: oh come on - we have pings of 280+ in Europe - and what in the US – something like 50-80
[12:28] Liv Leigh: i have nothing below 150, ever
[12:28] disisme Misfit: 18 for me bitter :)
[12:29] Orca Flotta: my pings are always way over 600

[12:28] GeorgeW Carver: At the risk of speaking too soon - I'm wondering about the camera position. Because the arc of view is much narrower on a computer monitor than in RL, and because turning one's gaze in a different direction takes perceptively more effort, doesn't it make sense to stick with the idea of "unrealistic" camera angles - to say nothing of the lack of depth perception, as well.

[12:28] Mothgirl Dibou: yes George, that is a problem : i added a panoramic view for this reason it shows you the boat and its surrounding from above, but only for 3 seconds or so

[12:28] Nomad Zamani: I sail in mouselook nearly all the time.

[12:29] Bittersweet Lime: when the camera is nearer to the boat, you can sail slower and it will feel fast as well

[12:30] Nomad Zamani: Make it user-settable, I'd have thought.

[12:31] Mothgirl Dibou: user settable would make everyone sail in helicopter mode in no time and that would be an unfair advantage : you cant look at the race field from above in RL either

[12:31] Nomad Zamani: I'd still be in mouse look anyway. :)

[12:35] GeorgeW Carver: If you are new to sailing in SL, would it make more sense to start with what you are coming out with, or to learn the more established system (Tako) first?

[12:36] Mothgirl Dibou: no George it would definitely make more sense to start with this It has only 4 modes starting with steering only and working their way up. It is much more like RL sailing and lot less digits to try to understand

[12:34] Mothgirl Dibou: i think this was it folks
[12:34] Mothgirl Dibou: sorry it isn’t ready yet

[12:34] Orca Flotta: thank you Mothgirl!
[12:34] Bittersweet Lime: oh, that is great news, MG - thank you
[12:34] Mothgirl Dibou: but there will be loads of beta's around
[12:34] Alisia Student: Thank for the informative talk ;)
[12:34] Francois Jacques: Thank you.
[12:34] Liv Leigh: kk moth thanks
[12:34] Nomad Zamani: Tres cool, MG.
[12:35] Orca Flotta: Hoooo!
[12:35] Charlz Price: <<-------awaits January, thanks MG
[12:35] Orca Flotta: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D
[12:35] Justyna Huldschinsky: ㋡
[12:26] Julia Ceres: ty Moth : ))
[12:27] Talulah Nomura: ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥

Kanker's Tako a breif history of SL sailing

2008-12-10T08:39:00.000-08:00

Owner of the SL group "SLSF"
http://world.secondlife.com/group/e176c7b1-8605-e4e1-8ac5-f3b3162f89c4

Kanker Greenacre, is the father of SL sailing. Born in 5/16/2003, he is a very early resident and helped develop some of the most fun Resident Projects in the early days of Second life. Back in those days, no one was ever very old then, ambient sound of SL wind was always much stronger than it is today, and as a person walked around the big empty world of SL (there was far less than 4,000 people online at any given time) you would hear the wind everywhere – a wind that actually was measurable and built into the game’s framework. Kanker came up with the idea of why not build a boat that actually uses this SL wind to power it – a sailboat in fact -- just like real life, that takes the wind and and the principles of angles and “lift” to power the boat.

So in June of 2005 he did just that, and came up with the Tako. Early tests and races showed the inherent fault of actually using SL wind. As we all know it spins like a top around the compass – very un-real-life like. So then he came up with Race Wind that would give some stability to races for all sailors, and if your going to have races you need a start-line, with a starting clock to keep track of boat times; and if you have all this with people using your boat, you need an SL group, so he created the SLSF (Second Life Sailing Federation) the very first group dedicated and devoted to sailing in Second life. To this day it is still one of the largest sailing groups in SL.

But its not enough that he made all these things, what’s so important to all of our fun was his incredibly generosity if his talent and his spirit. It was very important to him that he create a boat that was approachable and affordable to everyone in Second Life and priced it way below its true value. He did that with all his stuff, that I could tell. As the sport of sailing in Second life grew and other boat-makes were struggling with with developing similar scripts to power theirs, Kanker freely and openly shared his Tako script with other builders. All of the major builders barrowed heavily on his basic framework of code OR were heavily influenced by it even to this day.

We honor you, kanker, for being you and for setting the foundation for a lot of fun in SL

Nicholas Murdock's "The Pearl"

2008-12-10T06:48:00.000-08:00

[18:16] Nicholas Murdock: Ok, first of all, thank-you very much for having me here. I started building ships in SL around 2006 I think. I was living on a yacht off a small island in SL and decided I'd like to try my hand at building a galleon. All coming from a mis-spent youth watching too many Errol Flynn films.

[18:18] Allie Tomsen: lol

[18:18] Nicholas Murdock: Abbetted by too many years as a swashbuckler in the SCA.

[18:18] GoSpeed Racer: not McHales Navy?
[18:18] Nicholas Murdock: Watched that too ;)
[18:18] Allie Tomsen: gilligan

[18:19] Nicholas Murdock: My earlier ships were a simpler galleon, a pirate Barq, and a large Spanish galleon with two full decks below the maindeck, and a two decks in the stern. then a couple of years ago, my wife was appearing at the World Science fiction convention in Annaheim.

[18:19] disisme Misfit: your wifes an alien???

[18:19] Nicholas Murdock: she's a fantasy novelist. We stayed one night at a friend's apt next to the Redondo Beach marina. There were a lot of trailers in the parking lot by the marina, and Felicia, our friend, said it must be a film shoot, that it was too much stuff for a video shoot. At supper, the waitress said to go around the back way, and we might see Johnny Depp, they were shooting Pirates 3 nearby. We walked around to the trailers, and saw a small crowd outside the fence near one trailer, where Depp was inside changing. We gave up waiting for him, walked around to the marina, and wow, there was the Black Perl silently gliding into the harbor. It was too dark to take photographs. The rear stern windows were lit up nicely, and then it did something no galleon should ever do. It stopped and backed up.

[18:23] Indigo Mertel: Indigo Mertel chuckles

[18:23] Nicholas Murdock shouts: It seems it's built on a barge. The masts end right past the mainsail spars, the rest being digitally put in.

[18:23] GoSpeed Racer: "It's only a model"

[18:23] Nicholas Murdock shouts: We all started yelling "beep beep beep" as it baked up.

[18:24] Nicholas Murdock shouts: We went back around to the trailers, and Johnny depp was at the fence now, trying to sign whatever people passed through the fence to him.

[18:24] disisme Misfit: so..of course..you passed your wife?
[18:24] GoSpeed Racer laughs

[18:24] Nicholas Murdock shouts: That's a picture of him, I took with my wife's camera. you'll notice his beard is still braided, that was his real beard.

[18:25] Quirky Torok: im glad to see depp has troble rezzing too

[18:25] Nicholas Murdock shouts: So, after some pics of him, off to bed, hoping to catch some shots the next morning as it sailed off. We're awoken at dawn saying it was heading out of the harbor, and we jumped in the car and started stalking the Black Pearl. We followed it as it headed towards Palos Verdes. At the lighthouse, I walked down the path to a whale watching point, and finally saw it anchored back up the coast some. So we headed off, and finally found the location where it anchored. We topped the rise to the palisades, and looking down, was the Black Pearl.

[18:27] Nicholas Murdock shouts: That's a picture I took from the palisades.

[18:28] disisme Misfit: ooh....nice work for a barge, huh?
[18:28] Allie Tomsen: beautiful!

[18:28] Nicholas Murdock shouts: you'll see on the port side, a large opening with people standing in it. That's where the loaded the equipment and people through from the small tender boats. naturally, I eagerly watched the movie when it came out, trying to figure where in the movie they filmed this part.

[18:29] Nicholas Murdock shouts: Now the Flying Dutchman is on display now at Castaway Cay, the Disney owned island in the Bahamas. I have no idea what ever happened to the Pearl, or if it even still exists. So, that was my inspiration. It took me about a year to do this. Not because I’m such a stickler for detail, but because I'm a very lazy builder. : In addition, I work full time as a network manager for a major university, so my time was limited. : And of course, there were times I was just sick of looking at the damn thing :)

[18:31] Alisia Student: feels your pain

[18:31] Nicholas Murdock: For instance, I'm supposed to be building a Venetian galley for a neighbor, but it's also coming slowly. I hoped to get it ready for the opening of Pirates 3, but missed it naturally. I finally had to just say, ok, that's it, no more, package and sell the damned thing. I call it the Pearl, as it's inspired by the Disney Black Pearl, but a bit different to make Disney Lawyers Happy, the true pirates of the Caribbean ;)

[18:33] Allie Tomsen: hahaha
[18:33] disisme Misfit: :)))

[18:33] Nicholas Murdock shouts: It's 50 meters long from stern to bow, mainmast height of 68 meters, and 10 meter beam. It displaces 625 prims, not including cannons.
[18:34] Nicholas Murdock shouts: I included a complete set of firing cannons for every cannon port, large ones for the main gun deck, smaller ones for topside and in the stern cabin. The stern lanterns automatically light at night. I use a rezz faux to make it easy to automatically setup.

[18:34] Foo Foden shouts: how many wenches come with it???

[18:34] disisme Misfit: lmao BYO wench

[18:35] Nicholas Murdock shouts: Wenches not included, but I can give you some landmarks if you need to rent some ;)

[18:35] Foo Foden is shocked you can rent wenches in sl

[18:35] Nicholas Murdock shouts: During long sea voyages, entertainment is provided in the barrel in the hold every night but Thursday.
[18:35] Nicholas Murdock shouts: thursday is your night in the barrel ;)

[18:36] Nicholas Murdock shouts: So, that's the story of how I was inspired to build the Pearl. It was a lot of fun, a lot of cussing, but I'm pretty happy with the final result. Are there any questions?

[18:37] Tasha Kostolany: are these found textures Nich or have you doen your own work with those?

[18:37] Nicholas Murdock shouts: All the textures were bought at Textures R Us. The shredded sails I had commissioned. As well as commissioning the cannon script I use.

[18:38] Alisia Student: does it rez with furniture normally?

[18:38] Nicholas Murdock shouts: There's no furniture included with it, except for the ship parts you see : I designed it so there was lots of head room below deck and in the stern cabin, so your cam view wasn't blocked. All of my ships are live aboards, so I try to make sure there's room to put your furniture in it, etc. I've seen my ships used as people's homes, as rental units in a sea of sinking ships, and as, ummm, houses where you pay for interesting things done to you ;)

[18:40] Tasha Kostolany: lol
[18:41] Alisia Student: ;)
[18:41] Allie Tomsen: smiles innocently
[18:41] Foo Foden: i see you've done a lot of research.... how many times i wonder
[18:41] Nicholas Murdock shouts: needless to say, i was never offered a discount despite building their place of business ;)

[18:43] Tasha Kostolany: what else do you think you will be taking on besides a ship for your neighbor?

[18:43] Nicholas Murdock shouts: Well, I've also built a castle, which I live in and sell copies of. That's been the only building so far. Galveston has two sims here, and the bought one of my barqs to try to use as a replica of the Elissa, an 1870's iron barq restored and berthed at Galvesotn, TX. So I've been doing some design research and may try to build an actual copy of the Elissa.

[18:44] Tasha Kostolany: <-- seen that in person and been aboard -- it's pretty

[18:44] Nicholas Murdock shouts: Yes, I was just down there in Sept. the week of Hurrican Ike. We were renting a beach house that week, and awoke on Thursday at 7 am to find out we had 2 weeks to pack and evacuate the island. I've also been on the replica of the Golden Hinde when it was in Galveston, so that's also a possibility at some point. but after the Venetian galley, I'll probably start looking at the Elissa again seriously.
[18:47] Tasha Kostolany: thanks nich for talking to us tonight I really appreciate and loved your build

[18:47] disisme Misfit claps
[18:47] Nicholas Murdock: Thank-you very much for coming tonight :)
[18:47] Allie Tomsen: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[18:47] Tasha Kostolany: ㋡
[18:47] Alisia Student: ;)
[18:47] disisme Misfit: gret preso nick!
[18:47] Indigo Mertel: Indigo Mertel claps clap clap
[18:47] Foo Foden: cool build... have fun!
[18:47] Manul Rotaru: Thanks Nicholas!

[18:47] Nicholas Murdock: I'm offering the Pearl at a reduced price here for the show, and you can purchase from the vendor over there, with a cut going to the Show's cost.

Grey Blackadder's Clyde Puffer

2008-12-09T16:24:00.001-08:00

[14:06] Tasha Kostolany shouts: everyone I really was thrilled when Grey accepted my invitation to come talk to us, his Puffer boat here is beautifully built. So without anymore tado I turn the mic over to Grey

[14:07] Grey Blackadder: First of all, I’d like to welcome everybody that has come here today/night/this afternoon and to thank our Boat Show organizers for making all this possible, and for giving me this opportunity to show off a bit. I think you will all agree that there is plenty to engage anyone interested in messing about on the water at any level here at the show.

[14:09] Grey Blackadder shouts: “The Millie” is my affectionate interpretation of one of a whole race of small steam driven cargo ships that plied their trade between the Islands of the West Coast of Scotland and the Firth of Forth in the East for most of the Twentieth century.

[14:09] Grey Blackadder shouts: “Clyde Puffers” provided vital supply functions to the islands off the West Coast of Scotland and beyond. Limited to 66 feet by the size of the locks on the Forth & Clyde Canal, the majority of “Puffers” were built either at Maryhill in Glasgow, or at the landlocked port of Kirkintilloch on the canal itself.

[14:10] Grey Blackadder shouts: They earned the epithet of Puffer from the early practice of exhausting the piston stroke directly to the funnel, resulting in a “puff” of steam for each stroke of the engine. Early designs had an open steering position, but the addition of a wheelhouse in the early twentieth century resulted in the characteristic appearance of the Puffer.

[14:10] Grey Blackadder shouts: The original Puffers were limited in range, relying on a crew of three, Master, Mate and an Engineer. Drawing plentiful boiler water straight from the canal they were largely restricted to the Forth and Clyde Canal itself and the river estuaries beyond. These were the so-called “inside” boats of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

[14:10] Grey Blackadder: The addition of a condenser enabled greater range over salt water, and larger “outside” boats of up to 88 feet with a crew of four emerged to service the Outer Hebridean islands. Having an almost flat bottom, Puffers could be beached to load and unload cargo in the absence of a pier, and were known to carry everything from coal, sheep, grain and whisky to and from the islands.

[14:11] Grey Blackadder shouts: In 1939 the Admiralty chose the traditional Puffer pattern as its VIC (Victualling Inshore Craft). Largely built in English yards and carrying only an identifying number (VIC 32 survives) these little ships saw service throughout the fleet, as far north as Scapa Flow in the Orkneys and were readily absorbed into the post -war Puffer fleet.

[14:11] GeorgeW Carver: That would be "Scotch"

[14:11] Love Markova: What did they burn to boil the water?

[14:11] Grey Blackadder: Coal, although they could raise a small trisail between the derrick boom and mast if they ran out of fuel

[14:12] disisme Misfit: woot
[14:12] GeorgeW Carver: Hm

[14:12] Grey Blackadder shouts: Economics, fashions and transport systems change, and the Puffers declined road transport began to dominate. A number of vessels still remain, notably the aforementioned VIC 32 which still offers cruising holidays in the West of Scotland, its capacious hold having been converted to cabin space.

[14:12] Owen Oyen: /when they went from freshwater to salt water, were they still limited to freshwater in boiler or did they tolerate the corrosion from saltwater?

[14:13] Grey Blackadder: freshwater only Owen
[14:13] Sacha Swindlehurst: i think the condenser was part of that>?
[14:13] GeorgeW Carver: [yes], That's why the y added a condenser

[14:13] Hia Anatra: these wouldn't be very good in rough water, would they?

[14:14] Grey Blackadder: actually they were quite Seakindly, low center of gravity and tub shaped

[14:14] Grey Blackadder shouts: “The Millie” was my second attempt at a “large build” and was begun about a year ago when I was hunting around for something to make after building a new flagship store for my in-world business. A “Clyde Puffer” seemed an ideal choice as the steel built, slab sided hull lends itself to construction with basic prims, although I very quickly came to find the 256 prim link limit an irritation, especially when trying to apply the level of detail I wanted in the final realization, and some of you may have spotted the necessary compromises.

[14:15] Grey Blackadder shouts: My initial approach to the design and construction was to make a model – a static “museum piece” that went as far as possible to record the actual vessel. This made sense on two levels, in RL, I am a reformed railway modeller, and I have spent much of my adult life working either in Education or in the Museum Service – so it’s sort of the way I think. The idea of actually “driving” The Millie only came when a friend of mine saw her and gave me a script thought might work. There then followed a crash course in vehicle dynamics and limitations and a planned collaboration with a very helpful and skilled lady programmer to get The Millie “into the water”.

[14:15] Grey Blackadder shouts: Subsequent to this, RL concerns have intruded and the project stalled about August, since which time I have been involved in a couple of other things. It is thanks to Tasha’s interest in [it and the sharp eye of Manul Rotaru who brought it to Tasha’s attention that ] “The Millie” is here today, and I must say that I am amazed at the many things people have said about “The Millie”.

[14:16] Grey Blackadder shouts: So what of the future? Clearly “The Millie” is far from a dead project, neither is she complete, so over the next few weeks I plan to review the both the “Rez and Sit” scripted component, - there are a number of assets in place for this, Crew Poseballs, particle generators for smokestack and wake effects etc, and the hull itself. I have learned a little more about building since I started work on the hull, and there are things that can be improved.

[14:16] Grey Blackadder shouts: The plan is to release a boxed version, probably in the New Year, comprising a Scripted Vehicle, an Attachment that can also be rezzed as a dockside model, and a collection of accessories to fling about. One of the key qualities of the Clyde Puffer was individuality and I plan to make the hull copy/modifiable so people can personalise their Puffers, and with that in mind, there will also be an owners Club.

[14:17] Grey Blackadder shouts: As for the next project, perhaps it is time to return to the sea. In the last year I have built a boatyard, a working watermill and a whisky distillery. I find recent developments in one-piece sculpted hulls really exciting, and have been toying for some time with the idea of a building a Fifie – one of the traditional lug-sailed fishing boats of the Scottish East Coast, but please, don’t hold your breath!

[14:17] Grey Blackadder: now, perhaps I can field any more questions?

[14:18] Grey Blackadder: possibly dis

[14:18] Hia Anatra: for us land-lubbers, what does "lug-sail" mean?

[14:19] Grey Blackadder: a lug sail ahs a supporting boom at the top that crosses the mast at an angle. they are awkward because you have to take them down to tack or gybe.

[14:18] disisme Misfit: are you gonna have a scripted version?
[14:18] Sacha Swindlehurst: what kind of scripting will you apply? will you use a hull that should be attached from inventory or some auto-attach like

[14:20] Grey Blackadder: scripting I will need tot talk to a specialist about

[14:20] Sacha Swindlehurst: ic.. you may find a few of them at the boat show :)
[14:20] disisme Misfit: Grey, pointside has a kit that will let you do an autoattach....

[14:18] Love Markova: where did your colour scheme come from?

[14:19] Grey Blackadder: colour scheme is based on photos of real puffers

[14:20] Grey Blackadder: the Group will be caleed "Friends of Millie" and will be live in 24 hours

[14:18] Grey Blackadder: certainly I'll sculpt the Fifie

[14:21] Owen Oyen shouts: On the RL boat, was the steering wheel vision blocked by smokestack?

[14:21] Grey Blackadder: yes it does Owen, though some were offset

[14:21] Owen Oyen shouts: /cool, it looks normal to be blocked

[14:21] Azure Blackadder: Why is the Puufer calledMillie?
[14:21] disisme Misfit: the captains wife :)

[14:21] Grey Blackadder: I wanted a a name that sounded authentic, and took my cue from "The Maggie" and at the time I was building her the real Millie came into our lives

[14:22] Tasha Kostolany shouts: "The Maggie" the movie was there a Puffer in that?
[14:22] aelwyn Fields: oh yes brilliant movie

[14:24] Sacha Swindlehurst: very nice boat :)
[14:24] Sacha Swindlehurst: thanks for the info
[14:24] Grey Blackadder: ty Sacha
[14:24] Tasha Kostolany shouts: any other questions for Grey?
[14:24] Hia Anatra: thanks, very nicely done!
[14:25] Love Markova: Thanks Grey, beautiful boat and nice talk

[14:25] disisme Misfit: its a flat bottom with raised keel grey?

[14:25] Grey Blackadder: a very slighht deadfall dis, enough to be able to beach safely

[14:25] Sacha Swindlehurst: it s cute i can t wait for the tiny version :D
[14:25] JED Dastardly: good job grey looks nice!
[14:25] GeorgeW Carver: Thanks, Grey
[14:25] Love Markova: lol

[14:25] Tasha Kostolany shouts: I think we all love it Grey and I personally really enjoyed hearing about the history of it I know everyone here did too, I'll get this posted at the website
[14:25] Manul Rotaru: Thatnks Grey, what a great ship!

[14:26] disisme Misfit: sculpting it.....would be fast...gimme a yell if you want any help on it

[14:28] GeorgeW Carver: How close to scale is the MILLIE, Grey?

[14:29] Grey Blackadder: not that far off 20m is about right

[14:29] GeorgeW Carver: So these craft were pretty small - just a few tonnes DW

[14:30] Grey Blackadder: it's the canal locks that limit her even the outside boats were limited to 88 feet because of the Crinan Canal

[14:30] GeorgeW Carver: What beam & draft?

[14:31] Grey Blackadder: honestly can't remember oh here: 18 foot beam and4 foot draught. That’s the VIC 32's spec

[14:32] GeorgeW Carver: I bet she'd roll like a mother in a seaway

[14:32] Grey Blackadder: it's a barge with attitude really

[14:26] Grey Blackadder: ty very much, everyone

[14:26] Grey Blackadder: oh and the distillery is real

[14:28] Tasha Kostolany: put a sign out that gives a landmark to your docks Grey every sailor would love seeing it

[14:26] aelwyn Fields: ty for the talk Grey Blackadder, beautiful build
[14:26] Sacha Swindlehurst purrs softly
[14:26] Sacha Swindlehurst: ^VV^^V^PuRRrSss^VV^^V
[14:27] Elisha Paklena: *purrs*

[14:27] Grey Blackadder: ty again

[14:27] GeorgeW Carver: Where is your shipyard? Is it in your picks?

[14:27] Grey Blackadder: nnear the Distillery George
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Alfred%20Island/170/84/22

disisme Misfit talk - Apparent wind and the ACJ2.5

2008-12-08T13:48:00.000-08:00

[12:00] disisme Misfit shouts: Wlcome to the 2008 Tradewinds Yacht Club boat show. I am dis, the sim patron, and one of the co-ordinating team behind this massive event.
today, I will speak to you about apparent wind, versus true wind....TWA and TWD

There are several boats on the market using apparent wind. But just what IS apparent wind? Apparent wind is the direction the wind SEEMS to be coming from...rather than the TRUE wind direction.... its like standing around the corner of a wall on a windy day...the wind hits you, all beint diminished, from a different direction from where it is really blowing from

Apparent wind on a boat, is affected by heading, and the speed of the boat..... heading meaning the head to wind angle..HTW

[12:04] disisme Misfit shouts: As you go faster, the wind SEEMS to be swinging more towards the bow of the boat....that is part of the physics of movement....you move in still air, you feel a breeze... While the fizz and trudeau boats have used apparent wind for a while...and the Jangars...sorry caf... most of these boats are light weight, big sails....
they accelerate fast to peak speed...

[12:05] Caf Binder: :-)

[12:05] disisme Misfit shouts: so you see the wind direction seeming change really quickly after you THINK you set the right course... that is because the boat accelerates quickly, and the apparent wind angle changes REALLY fast... The ACJ2.5 makes this all much clearer and obvious it is a big boat....over 70'..and while it accelerates REALLY fast, the transition in apparent wind is MUCH more obvious

[12:07] LiLing Qunhua: ahhhh

[12:07] disisme Misfit shouts: let say you are starting with a Head to wind of 40 degrees...standing startsails should be set to what? anyone?

[12:07] Fooh Ling: 20
[12:07] Quirky Torok: 20
[12:07] Glorfindel Arrow: 20
[12:07] LiLing Qunhua: 20

[12:07] disisme Misfit shouts: right....
[12:08] disisme Misfit shouts: in a True wind boat..like a tako.....you would set it at 20, and have optimal performance I call those the sit, turn, set, sit type of boat you sit there and do pretty much nothing till its time to turn again if you have a constant wind

[12:08] LiLing Qunhua: lol

[12:08] disisme Misfit shouts: in an apparent wind boat...that is NOT the case yes..yuou would start at 20.... but as the boat starts moving, holding the EXACT same course, the wind angle lowers

[12:09] disisme Misfit shouts: ((not cutting an pasting here..this is totally ad lib))

[12:10] disisme Misfit shouts: soon, you see the wind angle...TWA....is at 20, NOT 40... the TWD..true wind direction is still at 40 you started with sails at 20....but now the apparent wind is at 20...what’s gonna happen?

[12:11] Kaylin Bechir: you stop
[12:11] LiLing Qunhua: stop?
[12:11] Glorfindel Arrow: slow
[12:11] Quirky Torok: panic
[12:11] LiLing Qunhua: haha
[12:11] Kentrock Messmer: Open a beer.

[12:11] disisme Misfit shouts: you will slow, or reach a terminal velocity far less than the boats capability so you need to trim your sails in as you go faster.... trim back to 10..... you are now at 20 TWA...sails at 10...what happens?
[12:12] disisme Misfit shouts: the boat speeds up

[12:12] LiLing Qunhua: you go faster?

[12:12] disisme Misfit shouts: what happens when the boat speed up?

[12:12] Charlz Price: you win
[12:12] Quirky Torok: usually crash :(
[12:12] Glorfindel Arrow: TWA lowers

[12:12] disisme Misfit: hahaha , yes TWA lowers

[12:12] Gordon Goodrich: <---sir crash-a-lot
[12:12] Sana Bebb: =^.^= ****** =^.^=

[12:13] disisme Misfit shouts: so you are now with sails at 10...TWD still 40....TWA is 14.... trim.....trim...trim.... trim your sails in...: with TWA at 14..your optimal sail position is 7 trim them in....you speed up.....your TWA comes down....

[12:14] disisme Misfit: trim again....

[12:14] disisme Misfit shouts: at some point, you WILL reach a terminal velocity with the ACJ2.5 on a TWD of 90 and 21.3 knots...that terminal velocity is WELL in excess of 26 knots

[12:15] Glorfindel Arrow: I was wondering...you never get to zero then...lol

[12:15] disisme Misfit: no glor... if you leave your sails at 20 at the start.... and dont trim in...what will happen?

[12:15] Charlz Price: you get passed

[12:16] disisme Misfit: very quickly

[12:16] disisme Misfit shouts: what happens is...the boat accelerates....it gets to a point where that is peak performance ...the sails will luff, and the boat will slow. then the sails will stop luffing...and you will speed up again....

[12:16] Kentrock Messmer: How many have been sold?

[12:17] disisme Misfit shouts: half a dozen in the past 12 hours

[12:17] Kentrock Messmer: Total?

[12:17] disisme Misfit shouts: they were only released yesterday kent, launched here..

[12:18] disisme Misfit shouts: now...with the ACJ2 being a little slower to accelerate than the small boats using apparent wind to date.... you find yourself trimming it progressively...

[12:18] Kentrock Messmer: So are you going to have class racing?

[12:18] disisme Misfit: hopefully kent

[12:18] disisme Misfit: as you trim...it goes faster
[12:18] disisme Misfit: trim more..faster...
[12:19] disisme Misfit: this boat is a ferrari...NOT a chevy....

[12:19] LiLing Qunhua: YAY! (yay!)
[12:19] Fooh Ling: YAY! (yay!)

[12:19] disisme Misfit: a tako, bless kankers soul, is a chevy, sit, turn, set, sit

[12:19] LiLing Qunhua: and a wonderful chevy it has been, too

[12:19] disisme Misfit: this boat gives you back...10000 times over, what you put INTO it just like a Ferrari : you work it and RACE with it...it will be FAST if you sit, turn, set, sit.......it will bite you

[12:20] LiLing Qunhua: hehe

[12:20] disisme Misfit shouts: the same rules apply with the fizz, trudeaus last 4 boats... the KA, T20, leetle cat and Tahiti II work them.... they will play WITH you, not against you : you will be utterly amased how fast you can make a tahiti II go... of course...ann ACJ2.5 is going to go past like a freight train... but.....its got a spinnkaer that a Tahiiti can live in

[12:22] disisme Misfit shouts: as an aside on apparent wind.... apparent wind does NOT affect wind shadowing your shadow is cast downwind on TWD TRUE wind direction you block the air to a downwind boat...NOT neccessarily one that is 180 according yo your sail settings it is TRULY downwind the ACJ2.5 will shadow a boat up to 60 meters away the further azway, the less shadow. most boats shadow for 20 meters...

[12:24] Kaylin Bechir: will the 2.0?

[12:24] disisme Misfit shouts: no..the 2.5 only..this is new the AC boats have such massive sail area...20 meters was rubbish and laughable on a jangars...faaaantastsic... on a boat with sails you can hold a hangars race on....it was silly 60m of wind shadow is about right for a boat with sails that are...what..10 stories high?

[12:26] Jane Fossett: hans zinnemann claims the ACA1.6 shadows 75m
most boats shadow for 20 meters...

[12:26] disisme Misfit shouts: it doesn’t jane.....
[12:26] Jane Fossett: I couldn't show that either
[12:26] Jane Fossett: I got 20-34
[12:26] disisme Misfit shouts: it shadows a) in the wrong direction...and b) only on a beat....and nothing like that distance
[12:27] disisme Misfit shouts: right..me too...27-29m
[12:27] Jane Fossett: 20-24

[12:26] disisme Misfit shouts: ok....I will wrap it up with a reminder.... we did a LOT of testing on the ACJ2.5 shadowing... Please wait while your notecard is delivered. it shadows 7.5 degrees from mast centerline TRUE downwind and for 60M the shaodw AT 60m, is about 50% what it is at ..well..fender scraping distance after 60m, it is gone the downwind shadow and speed effect is astronomical

[12:28] Jane Fossett: is that realistic
[12:29] Caf Binder: still 50% at the 60 m limit?

[12:29] disisme Misfit shouts: get a boat 50m in front of you on a downwind spinnaker run.....
[12:29] disisme Misfit shouts: yes caf
[12:29] disisme Misfit shouts: and he will almost stop

[12:29] Jane Fossett: and 61 is 0%
[12:29] disisme Misfit shouts: right jane most work that way... with most its full shadow at 20, and 0 at 21 this level and range of shadowing, along with TWA, puts a whole lot of strategy into your sailing now in a big, fast boat

[12:30] Jane Fossett: not the T20 series or the Jangars

[12:30] Caf Binder: if i recalll... :) ive done around 20% at limit
[12:30] disisme Misfit shouts: shadowing on those boats is lovely jane...

[12:30] Glorfindel Arrow: dose the area of effect get smaller too, as it gets farther away??

[12:30] disisme Misfit shouts: no..ti gets wider 7.5 degrees from mast center line Glor
[12:31] disisme Misfit shouts: this give a lee bow affect...
[12:31] disisme Misfit shouts: I Think 7.5 to windward is a little harsh... and would prefer it to be 5 to windward, 10 to leeward... but its not possible with code limitations

[12:32] Caf Binder: (Well I expect we will soon have a standard on that for all boats to follow, if wanted)

[12:32] disisme Misfit shouts: right caf...that will be great in mixed boat classes..

[12:32] Caf Binder: 2009 promises :)

[12:32] disisme Misfit shouts: as to performance of the ACJ....the Apparent wind effect makes this boat SLOW on a beat compared to the ACA... at 28 TWD, it is 12 TWA and about 12 knots sails at 6 : but the polar on the ACJ2.5 swings DRAMATICALLY move to 31 TWD....boat speed is at 14.4 move to 38......boat speed is 17.7 that is based on 10m/s TWS (true wind speed) the boat likes to get off the wind..... get it to 90 TWD....48 TWA.... the boat is doing well in excess of 26 knots WITHOUT spinnaker : this boat will NOT perform under spinnaker anywhere under 130 degrees TWD

[12:35] Quirky Torok: is that going to affect sim crossings?

[12:36] disisme Misfit shouts: well...good question the boat is almost 200 prims lighter than an ACA33 out of the box, vehicle and hull are 10-2 prims 102

[12:36] disisme Misfit shouts: scripts are hyper efficient...I have beta tested this boat for months and NEVER had a sim crossing crash

[12:37] disisme Misfit shouts: I have crashed for SL stupidity reasons...but not on a boundary

[12:37] Kaylin Bechir: how does it compare to a 2.0?

[12:37] disisme Misfit shouts: 2.0....would be slower on a beat....actually..slower everywhere
[12:37] disisme Misfit shouts: oh.... actually 2.0 is faster on a run under spinnaker

[12:38] Kaylin Bechir: yay!

[12:38] disisme Misfit shouts: the ACJ2.5 is VERY pedantic about trim and keel adjustment on a spinnaker leg yes...keel adjustment... you can trim the keel for upwind and downwind get it set wrong....and watch everyone steam past

[12:39] Quirky Torok: oh jeeze more trim i can get wrong :(

[12:39] disisme Misfit shouts: like I said..this boat is VERY much a ferrari...

[12:39] Clay Ellison: lol

[12:40] Kaylin Bechir: how do you trim the keel?

[12:40] disisme Misfit shouts: you have to carreess it and DRIVE it its .1cb...centerboard command

[12:40] Kaylin Bechir: thanks

[12:40] disisme Misfit shouts: Its a boat that makes you SAIL it...not sit in it... very VERY like the T20 you HAVE to sail that boat.... or take lessons in reverse parking

[12:41] Glorfindel Arrow: lol
[12:41] Kaylin Bechir: hehe

[12:41] disisme Misfit shouts: the ACJ2.5 wont actually go backwards .... very well... but I HAVE reversed it out of berths.. that I Went into at 26 knots under spinnaker....

[12:42] Kaylin Bechir: haha

[12:42] disisme Misfit shouts: anyway... TWA..... your in a boat using apparent wind...trim that puppy your in an ACJ2, popping the spinnaker with another ACJ2.5 behind you.... time to start THINKING... cos they are gonna shadow your ass

[12:43] disisme Misfit shouts: any questions?

[12:43] Charlz Price: mod rights??

[12:43] disisme Misfit shouts: full mod sails and hull sails are single texture, by UUID in a notecard

[12:43] Kentrock Messmer: Skipper note card?

[12:44] disisme Misfit shouts: err...good question..... I Will say 'no' but could be wrong I am pretty sure thats a no where do you find info on the cb commands?

[12:44] disisme Misfit shouts: oh one thing I find really interesting... on the ACJ2.5 there are blue and orange crew positions : there are 2 orange balls.....one is the main trimmer, the other is the jib / spinnaker trimmer...

[12:45] Contra Koba: does the boat come with gesture pack?

[12:45] disisme Misfit shouts: no contra, but they are pretty easy to setup..similar to ACA gestures : if a passenger SIT on one of those positions..... the orange ones.. the skipper loses control of those sails so if someone sits on the jib trimmer balls.... that person OWNS those sails

[12:46] Kentrock Messmer: cool

[12:46] disisme Misfit shouts: the jib and spin someone sits on the main trimmer ball...that person has that sail the skipper CANNOT override them

[12:47] Kentrock Messmer: Can you hide the pose balls?

[12:47] disisme Misfit shouts: yessir.../1hide I just tell pepple to get the hell off....

[12:47] Contra Koba: so skipper and 3 person crew would be optimal for realism eh

[12:47] disisme Misfit doesnt play well with others..haha

[12:48] Kaylin Bechir: is the 2.5 a new version of the 2.0 or a new boat?

[12:48] Kentrock Messmer: Is the spinnaker shape modable?

[12:48] disisme Misfit shouts: skipper and 2 person...jib and spin are the same trimmer
[12:48] disisme Misfit shouts: no...
[12:48] Contra Koba: ah I see now
[12:48] disisme Misfit shouts: its firkin ugly isnt it....it should be wider..

[12:48] Kentrock Messmer: Yes
[12:49] Kentrock Messmer: Any chance of that happening?

[12:49] disisme Misfit shouts: lemme tell ya tho..it s big enough to get in the damn way....
[12:49] disisme Misfit shouts: not likely...
[12:49] Kentrock Messmer: Hmm

[12:49] disisme Misfit shouts: I betad this boat at beta 4... over a month ago... and it was vastly less buggy than the ACA is in its retail version.. : since then there have been 6 beta mods... most of those were on my insistence... features, rather than bug fixes... wording changes in messages.... a visual signal you were being shadowed... and the last one, made on the morning before release... was to reduce the Min HTW from 38 to 28 so you guys that raced me yesterday.... in your 22 degree sailing ACAs.... realise you were racing my beta 10 boat...

[12:52] disisme Misfit shouts: NOW I Can go 10 degrees higher on the wind...
[12:52] disisme Misfit shouts: your ass is mineeeee muahahahaaaaaaa
[12:53] disisme Misfit shouts: I was winning races with the ACAs having a 16 degreee HTW advantage guys... : this ACJ2.5 is FAST Ask glor what its like to hit a 90 degree TWD with an ACJ2.5 behind him?

[12:54] Glorfindel Arrow: yeah, she just steamed on by...lol

[12:54] disisme Misfit shouts: I think the term was "holy shit"

[12:54] Glorfindel Arrow: yep

[12:54] disisme Misfit shouts: so if you wanna RACE an AC class boat..... the aCJ2.5 is the go...

[12:55] Kaylin Bechir: will it compete in the ACA class?

[12:55] disisme Misfit shouts: if you wanna set and forget and get shadowed while your windward....ACA33 until it get numbers, I Think it will . . . . shit... you...the girl who spoke... : lol

[12:55] Kaylin Bechir: ha!

[12:55] disisme Misfit shouts: that is up to the race directors... each director will call it themselves... just make sure you ask first cos they WILL toss your ass out if you go ripping up their lovely ACAs as time goes on, ACJs will probably outnumber ACAs at the ACA races...lol and I think we should lean on MTW to get them into sail on... big boats..big sails..big spinnakers

[12:57] Kaylin Bechir: is my 2.0 going to be upgraded or do I have to buy another?

[12:57] disisme Misfit shouts: good question... no idea...

[12:58] Kentrock Messmer: Any boat show floor model deals? hehehe

[12:58] disisme Misfit shouts: surely she should offer a discount at least I bought that one already kent

[12:58] Kentrock Messmer: Dam!

[12:58] disisme Misfit: never got too many ACJ2s,: I Think I got...13 now..LMAO

[12:59] disisme Misfit: kachink....let the sales begin....

[12:59] disisme Misfit: the sails..did I mention... single texture?
[12:59] Quirky Torok: sold separately? not a cut up like the ACA

[12:59] Kentrock Messmer: Is there an ACJ group?

[12:59] disisme Misfit: yes, if you speak fluent Japanese kent

[13:00] Kaylin Bechir: hahahaaa
[13:00] Kentrock Messmer: not

[13:00] disisme Misfit: I Will ask sarah and max to move on that... I think we have numbers enough to probably host an ACJ2.5 race.... so if you get one, you wont be out there on your own... plus you get to shit on some ACAs... which is always fun...

[13:01] Kentrock Messmer: Now now Dis..lol

[13:01] disisme Misfit: haha

[13:01] disisme Misfit shouts: I will be asking for the location of sail templates I know they exist, because I have them

[13:02] LiLing Qunhua: thank you disi .. was great talk ... learned a lot
[13:02] Kaylin Bechir: Bravo! -- Cheers! - Applause!
[13:02] disisme Misfit smiles
[13:02] Glorfindel Arrow: thanks Disi
[13:02] disisme Misfit shouts: thank you all for coming...
[13:02] Katrinna Okelly: Thanks.
[13:02] Quirky Torok: /claps
[13:02] Kentrock Messmer: Dis you are a great saleswoman.
[13:02] disisme Misfit shouts: haha...
[13:02] disisme Misfit shouts: thats why I got all these clothes..
[13:03] disisme Misfit shouts: I am a bigger sucker for good hair
[13:03] disisme Misfit: ka chink

Owen Oyen - Working Sailboat in the OS Grid

2008-12-08T10:02:00.000-08:00

[9:00] Owen Oyen shouts: Hello, Folks. I am Owen Oyen. Nice to see all of you with whom I am friends and nice to meet all of you I don't yet know. First, a thank you to Tasha, Iza, Disisme, Liv, RJ and any other AV involved with the very hard work of putting this great SL event together. This is a beautiful venue. [ feel free to applaud and :) ]
[9:00] Gemma Vuckovic: speak up, we cant hear at the back

[9:01] Owen Oyen shouts: I was asked to prepare a talk for the sailing community gathered here today on various subjects of interest to SL and virtual sailing. As I paste it, ask questions at any time. You'll be in my chat buffer. I'll try to catch them all either as I'm pasting or after I'm done pasting. If I do neither, yell. Loudly.

[9:01] Owen Oyen shouts: I build the ACC racing yacht in SL and I introduced it in its 1.0 version about 18 months ago. She was the first boat in SL with a wind shadow and the first boat with a wave motion model. Let me stop myself just a moment here to recognize . . . that this is a situation relevant to the famous Sir Isaac Newton quote "If I have seen a bit further, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants." My modest contributions to SL sailing follow in the footsteps of Kanker Greenacre's first SL boat. My contributions also would be of little significance were it not for the attraction to sailing derived from the artistry of Jacqui, Verkin and any other sailboat artists who predate me in SL and who . . . I will regret neglecting to mention later.

[9:03] Owen Oyen shouts: Since ACC 1.0's introduction, about 8 months later I introduced rev 2.0, which is parked for show here at this boating event. She, like 1.0, conforms in all dimensions to the IACC 2007 Rules formula. She has a refined wind shadow (the original was somewhat brutal), she has a randomly timed sail damage feature on her that requires a crew member to go aloft and do repairs in order to restore full racing performance, and she responds to tidal current, which I will discuss in a moment.

Owen Oyen shouts: First, I'd like to describe something new going on in another virtual world, namely OSGrid (Open Source Grid, www.osgrid.org). I am not an OSG zealot or recruiter and I'm not going to talk about OSG itself. Instead, I will talk about a sailboat there. That boat was built to provide folks here with options amid the recent pricing upheaval, but this talk is not about sim pricing. It's about boat features and only about boat features. The OSG boat introduces some new approaches to virutal sailing.

9:05] Owen Oyen shouts: Making a sailboat is no longer quite the big accomplishment in virtual worlds that it was when Kanker Greenacre started, but there is one thing different about OSGrid that makes a sailboat challenging there. Namely, OSG is young, and there are no LL vehicle functions implemented (yet). The boat builders here know what that means and what a problem that presents. The usual way of generating simulated propulsion for a virtual world boat, the way that Kanker Greenacre originally did it, is not available in OSG.

Owen Oyen shouts: I hear typing clicks . . yes OSGrid is Open Source sims, outside SL with some talk underway about connecting the grids, but I will leave OSG talk to others

[9:07] Owen Oyen shouts: This forced me (no pun intended) to find a workaround. The key equations for it are on a poster here beside me to my right. They are not complex or revolutionary and I'm obviously giving them away. They involve raw physics, bypassing the standard Linden Lab motor parameters of the ll functions. And . . . for you boat builders, they . . . the equations . . . result in code that is likely to use fewer instructions per second (aka lag) than the llSetVehiclethisorthat appproach. It is an approach to making virtual sailboat propulsion in a different way than usual. I'll pause here a moment so the poster can rez for everyone.

[9:08] Owen Oyen shouts: anyone NOT see the poster yet?

[9:08] Liv Leigh: i don t see you even owen lol

[9:08] Tasha Kostolany shouts: (Larz will be talking further on OS Grid this coming Sunday)

[9:08] Liv Leigh: i see a big grey ball with your name tag
[9:08] Owen Oyen shouts: I'm not worth seeing Liv, but I'll wait a few secs for the folks to see the poster

[9:09] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: Suffice it to say, Owen knows how to make a boat sail by using a pure physical simulation

[9:09] Orca Flotta shouts: if you can't see Owen or the poster you're obviously on some crappy SL viewer :)

[9:10] Owen Oyen shouts: I am sure there are other vehicles here in SL using this kind of technique, but sailing has very special requirements and aspects that other vehicles do not encounter, so this is likely somewhat new for sailing. It will certainly require effort to embrace llSetForce (and llSetTorque to turn) should you wish to. I presently use llSetForce to implement tidal current on the ACC -- and yes, I know the wiki says you can't use llSetForce with "vehicles". I did anyway. It has worked fine for 9 months with no unpleasant side effects at all.

[9:11] Owen Oyen shouts: If you're bored, we're already past the 1/2 way point, so hang in there

[9:11] Owen Oyen shouts: There are some pictures here beside me of the OSGrid boat, and also the iceboat variant we have prepared there.

Bri Hasp has made a pretty ice sim and Hiro Protagonist has laid out some racing buoys in his water sim. About 35 boats have been distributed by the OSG 0L vendor over the past 2 weeks and hopefully people are having fun, despite various Beta issues. Note that all the propulsion is in the ugly yellow prim, and the attachment boat frame (made by Hiro) can be anything any boating artist wishes it to be. Sail commands are documented and publicly available so sails can be rotated.

[9:12] Owen Oyen shouts: arggg, forgot to get iceboat pics, they are at OSGrid sim Sailing, an ice sim, if you visit

[9:12] Owen Oyen shouts: Before I shut up, one more thing. Tidal current. About a year ago Soro Dagostino suggested to me that an AV named seonaid McLean had an idea for sailing and wanted to talk about it. Tidal current in SL was her idea. Not mine. What we did was map the terrain of selected sailing areas, port the terrain map to Scotland (seonaid's home) and we then ran a fluid dynamics model against that terrain to predict how RL water would flow on a race course. This current model is dependent on the terrain of the shorelines, a predefined direction of predominant flow (which will eventually be time of day dependent) and the sim seafloor shape. The numbers are not "faked".

[9:13] Owen Oyen shouts: SL boats equipped with the protocol transmit their position and velocity to the model in Scotland. The model presumes a certain number of seconds will elapse for the transmission to and from Scotland and based on that number and boat velocity vector, we project the boat's position ahead to where it will be when the numbers from Scotland arrive back in SL. We inform the boat of the tidal current at that locale and the boat's scripts respond to it and slow the boat down, speed it up, or push it sideways. Just like RL. haha Scotland has very strong tidal current and seonaid persuaded me that 4-6 knot current in Manning Strait would be fun. She has proven to be correct.

[9:14] Pensive Mission shouts: not for sailors who can't go faster than 3m/sec

[9:14] Owen Oyen shouts: haha Pensive, you'll get better
[9:14] disisme Misfit: the boat might not tho...

[9:14] Owen Oyen shouts: Tidal current maps are available here:

[9:15] Nomad Zamani: I'm from Scotland in RL, and I *have* sailed backwards while making good way through the water. ;)

[9:15] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: some boats just shouldnt be sailed in some bodies of water
[9:15] Frank Marder shouts: try the detroit river

[9:15] Owen Oyen shouts: Sailor's Cove Northern Race Courses
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=croppedsccurrentmapiq6.jpg

[9:16] Owen Oyen shouts: Ppl, please, boats were made to go FORWARD

[9:16] Owen Oyen shouts: Mowry Bay Course
http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chartimagewithtextoq4.png
[9:16] disisme Misfit: ahuh..its like a tiger moth with a 60 knot headwind....
[9:16] disisme Misfit: hovering at full throttle
[9:17] Owen Oyen shouts: All the maps just pasted are *SL*
[9:17] Owen Oyen shouts: Please note, we DO intend to support the same feature in OSGrid. There is a slight advantage there in that all sim terrain.raw files are easily available, so no tedious mapping process is required.

[9:18] Owen Oyen shouts: The ACC is equipped with this scripting. So is Mothgirl Dibou's Fizz, and her new current approach I am told can interface with the tide model, as her previous Fizz did. The protocol for communicating with seonaid's server and receiving the real time tidal current numbers is free to any boat builder who wants to use it. We are doing this for fun and there is no business model. If you enjoy it, IM seonaid and thank her. Since we started tidal current support . . . over a period of 9 months now, I think seonaid's server has been offline for perhaps a total of 15 days. She fixes things when they go wrong. It's been reliable. When her server is not there, the boats just sail with 0 current. This has been rare.

[9:18] Liv Leigh takes another pic of owen the grey

[9:19] Owen Oyen shouts: And now, the moment you've all been waiting for
[9:19] Owen Oyen shouts: Time for me to shut up. Thanks for your polite attention.
[9:19] Owen Oyen shouts: Questions?

[9:19] Liv Leigh: thanks!
[9:19] Nomad Zamani: Thank you, Owen. :)
[9:20] Caf Binder: Thanks
[9:20] disisme Misfit: everyone, lazarus is loitering in the background here..he is an OSGrid admin and will be presenting on it this sunday

[9:20] Tasha Kostolany shouts: give us a second to think of some questions Owen
[9:20] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: GREAT JOB, OWEN!!
[9:20] Frank Marder shouts: and thank for for clarifying issues about the osgrid.com
[9:20] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: osgrid.org

[9:20] Owen Oyen shouts: Waiting a bit, and there ARE permissions there, but they require thought. Others will address this

[9:20] disisme Misfit: Can I make one point to everyone here.....
[9:21] disisme Misfit shouts: yesterday it was discovered that there had been a change made on OSGrid that rendered the boat physics...dysfunctional......
[9:21] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: LOL that has already been corrected
[9:21] disisme Misfit shouts: to OSGrids credit, that change was backed out overnight....
[9:21] Liv Leigh: you re too efficient
[9:21] Owen Oyen shouts: That was fixed this morning, Dis, in case folks from this talk visited
[9:21] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: not backed out - fixed
[9:21] disisme Misfit shouts: this is something you will NOT see Linden Labs EVER do
[9:21] Kalle Lannock: So bugs are fixed overnight compared to never by LL ;)
[9:21] disisme Misfit shouts: ok...fixed..same thing, really :)
[9:22] disisme Misfit shouts: Lindens have a "oh..thats bad luck" support methodology....
[9:22] disisme Misfit: OSGrids responsiveness is... immeasurably ebetter

[9:22] Owen Oyen shouts: I am not here to trash LL. The OSG response to the error yesterday was great

[9:23] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: I dont want to trash LL either - this couldnt have been done without their generous contribution of their proprietary network protocol specifications

[9:23] Liv Leigh: what do you think your findings in os grid could mean ported back to SL?

[9:24] Owen Oyen shouts: Liv, good question. The llSetForce formula SHOULD help boat builders build lower lag boats, even if they don't use llSetForce. The velocity setting feature / technique really saves time tweaking settings to get a particular speed at a particular polar angle
[9:24] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: <== is Hiro Protagonist on OSGrid, and one of several OSGrid admins [9:24] disisme Misfit shouts: I'd like everyone to put a quick note of their thoughts about this presentation in a notecard and send it to me [9:25] Liv Leigh: so we can safely say you reinvented the sailboat? [9:25] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: reengineered? [9:25] disisme Misfit shouts: jiggered with? [9:25] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: ripped and reconfigged? *GRINZ* [9:26] disisme Misfit shouts: frikked around with? [9:26] Owen Oyen shouts: No, Liv. I invented a way to work around limits, and someone else would have done it the same way had they been there. It is NOT SL quality of sailing, but . . . it's a lot cheaper [9:26] Liv Leigh: it s always been emulated physics yes [9:26] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: like anything, it can (and will) be improved over time [9:26] Liv Leigh: ic, but.. i reckon it does offer us a long-term perspective in making boat scripts mroe efficient? in os grid but also here 9:27] Lazarus Longstaff shouts: the thing that broke steering briefly was a fix that is already ten new steps in the right direction [9:27] Liv Leigh: allowing more boats, larger boats, whatever [9:27] Owen Oyen shouts: possibly, Liv, I think you can cut down on some things in SL vehicles and less load on CPUs is less lag [9:27] Liv Leigh: or just better sim performance [9:28] Owen Oyen shouts: Okay, thank you all for coming. I must return to RL. Thanks to the great venue set up by the boat show team, too. Everyone Have Fun!! [9:28] disisme Misfit: oh..and Owen....I look like this in your honor today....you expected a clothes change x 4....so I tossed a skin in for fun [9:28] Tasha Kostolany shouts: THANK YOU OWEN, YOUR THE BEST [9:28] Owen Oyen shouts: bye all [9:28] Owen Oyen is Offline [9:29] disisme Misfit: poof..gone [9:29] Sillygirl Beningborough: thanks! [9:29] nobuko Criss: WOOOOOT!!!! [9:29] xnobuko Criss: (ja->en) WOOOOOT!!!!

Wild Wind AC-J2 Makes Big Step at Boat Show

2008-12-07T13:10:00.000-08:00

Wildwind have just released the ACJ2.5 Americas cup boat at the Boat show. This boat boasts full gesture and hud support, wind shadowing right around the compass for 60M downwind, a spinnaker, trimmable keel, and a truly incredibly high performance. This is modeled off the Real Life AC polar, it uses apparent wind and is truly the Ferrari of open class race yachts.

Packaged with the ACJ for one price, this is THE new release to buy.. . a "must have" for the serious racer. Come get one at the 2008 TYC boatshow!

Flying Fizz 3

2008-12-04T18:43:00.000-08:00

The next generation of boats – a quantum leap in sailboat movement scripting is revealed here -- Flying Fizz 3 by Mothgirl Dibou is at the 2008 TYC Boat Show under the Starboard Tent. Check out her display on a boat that will change everything in sailboat racing

The new Trudeau Tahiti Ketch II at the Tradewinds Boat Show

2008-12-03T18:26:00.000-08:00

Available only at the boat show for the month of December. Read all about here

http://trudeauyachts.wordpress.com

If you are the current owner of Trudeau Tahiti Ketch you are entitled to a substantial upgrade discount. Contact Jacqueline Trudeau directly.

Thanks!

Boat Show is OPEN

2008-12-02T19:08:00.000-08:00

Thank you to Leo Linden, we have our full sim and the exhibitors have been invited into group. Although the fist few days it will look a little thin, but exhibitors will be slowly moving in and setting up.

If you know of something that would be great to show, let us know

One small step for a woman . . . .

2008-11-26T14:23:00.000-08:00

one giant leap for virtual world sailing. M1sha Dallin has opened the first representation of a yacht club in OSGrid by planting Tradewinds Yacht Club flag on her new sim. Tradewinds Yacht Club is proud to be represented here. Owen's sailboat can be obtained here on her sim ( M1 Frigate) to sail in OSGrid.

Press Release -- 2008 Boat Show

2008-11-26T13:42:00.000-08:00

Announcing one of the most exciting events of the year:

The Annual TYC Boat Show featuring working sailboats from SL's most creative people, live demonstrations, nautical vendors, and special events. This is on scale and on mass with the annual hair show.

Runs December 1, 2008 through December 27th in the sim of Dears Garden
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dears%20Garden/129/239/26

Updates on the show can be found at the shows's website:
http://sltyc.com

This is a MAJOR SL event and will be hugely attended over the four weeks. The Tradewinds Yacht Club is again this years organizing group. Last year they successfully ran the first ever Boat Show strictly for working sailboats. "People were really surprised that Second Life had such an astounding array of talent just in sailboats and nautical accessories which would justify a Boat Show just for them," said Tasha Kostolany, commodore of the Tradewinds Yacht Club group and organizer the last two boat shows. "This is a huge event for a wide community of people in Second Life," she said. It always grows as the show progresses and at the end, it's a job to be able to squeeze everything in."

All of the major boat builders will be represented with their latest creations along with Special Exhibits scattered over the four weeks. The first of these exhibits is a true to scale recreation of a Grand Banks fishing schooner "Ernestina". A gorgeous black schooner 112 feet long with a 13 foot draft and 8,500 square feet of sail. The original was designed by George McClain of Gloucester who was one of the pioneer of designers for a new type of fishing schooner that gave fine lines offering extra speed to market for the best price and a deep, heavily ballasted hull for stability to withstand North Atlantic gales.

The in-world version is made by RJ Kikuchiyo, a master 3D modeler with 18 years of experience and two and a half of those years building in SecondLife. "This thing is in a class by itself," said Kostolany. "We've seen great sailboat builds before but this beats them all. The day I saw RJ's schooner was the day I decided another boat show was a must. When you step onto it, it's spooky how life-like it feels -- in a good way. People are going to love this."

The show will feature a whole range of fun things to see. Many of the items you can buy but not all, Kostolany added. "This is an opportunity to show off peoples own personal passions about sailing in Secondlife, and a lot of these people custom make things for themselves, or modify their boat without thought of trying to sell it. They also sometimes give it away for free"

What is the draw to sailing? Ravishal Bentham who originally broached the idea of a boat show to the Tradewinds Yacht Club last year said it's a way of life. "Sailing is a form of escape, relaxation, a slower, more pleasant way of living both here an in real life. The items shown not only portray artistry and craftsmanship, but they also evoke a certain lifestyle."

"This is the best chance to see the best boats all over sl on one place without teleporting around which takes forever," said SophieLauren Allen, who hosts Tradewinds new clubhouse in the Sea of Jazz sim. "You can find fair offers, high detailed products! meet the community, see what's possible to build in sl and get free test-rides."

Although the show is run and organized by Tradewinds, a well established SL Yacht Club. It would not have come off without the generosity of disisme Misfit, one of Tradewinds Race Directors, who donated the Dear Garden sim exclusively for the event. " SL sailing needs this," Misfit said. "After the depressive state of play pushed onto the community by the Lindens with the change on open sims effectively wiping out a lot of sailable water, SL sailing has been declining badly. I see a need to excite it again and this is the perfect opportunity to put some optimism into the entire community. We do it expecting to make a large financial loss . . .a very large loss but if it kicks starts sailing again, so be it" When asked if she thought this show would send a signal to Linden Labs she replied "perhaps the wrong one. They might see the community doing well or better than they think. This event is actually being held for the opposite reason - to try and reestablish the community into a positive growth situation, rather than a massive decline.

Kostolany confirmed this. "We recently lost our former home in Hukilau Ridge because of Linden Lab's change in open water sims making it financially infeasible. SL right now is experiencing a massive brain drain of talent. I'm not sure Linden Labs understands that, or even cares. There is a huge push by coders who have left SL to get the OSGrid (that open source 3d world) viable for sailing." Then she paused, "That's a good thing, I just don't want sailing to die in SL and if the Lindens don't either they better do something!"

That seems to have been the motivation for Misfit as well, "My personal market and customer base is holding strong so far," she said. "Business has never been better with my sailing line. But I see things on the water. Sever depletion of sims to sail on, old hands are leaving, and aren't being replaced by the new hands at anything like the same rate. To us, the people dedicating their time and resources into this show, it is our goal to build excitement, to rattle cages, to make people realize once again that SL Sailing is more than just water and boats, but the joy of sailing and camaraderie.

DON'T MISS IT!
THE 2ND ANNUAL TYC BOAT SHOW COMES ONLINE DECEMBER 1ST
ALL WORKING BOATS
SAILING YACHTS
CANOES
DAYSAILERS
RESCUE BOATS
DON'T MISS IT

EVEN SEX GEN SAILBOATS -- maybe
YOU DON'T KNOW SEDUCTION UNTIL YOU'VE DONE IT AT SEA

COME SEE IT ALL
IF YOU'VE MISSED THE WATERLIFE SCENE HERE
COME CATCH UP ON THE WILDEST MOST BEAUTIFUL LIFE IN SECONDLIFE

A Quick Glance Back to TYC's 2007 Boat Show

2008-11-22T21:44:00.000-08:00

2008 TYC Boat Show

2008-11-21T22:59:00.000-08:00

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Index
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1) Intro
2 ) Show Catalogue
3) Special Patron Grant
4 ) ** Note to Commercial Vendors **
5) Model of Boat Show Marina
6) Early Registration
7) Who to Contact
8) Help Spread the Word

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1) Intro
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Welcome to the most Exciting Event of the Year. This is a MAJOR SL Event -- The Annual TYC Boat Show featuring working sailboats from SL's most creative people, live demonstrations, nautical vendors, special events.

Start Date: December (somewhere near the first of December - tba)
End Date: (to be determined)

* Show Features Working Sailboats

* Daily Feature Exhibits

* Live Public Demonstrations by Makers

No props, no houseboats -- although we love those too. We are focusing strictly on sailboats which actually sail in second life along with their accessories. If room permits then motor vessels may be displayed. This should be a MAJOR show and attraction to all sailboat lovers and could draw a large crowd.

Although exhibiting is free (NOTE -- commercial vendors see note below), there is a limited amount of space. We are asking that exhibitors make reservations so we can anticipate the needs. Once we know how many want to participate we can allocate spaces tent space. Reservations will be met first and anything open after that will be first come first serve

Tents will be available for accessory/apparel makers -- nautical clothing, nautical decorations, hud makers, useful scripts, yacht club organizations, etc etc

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2 ) Show Catalogue
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2008 will offer, for the first time, an official catalogue of all entries including pictures, specifications and prices. This will be published and available FREE to the entire SL community. You will want to be included in this special publication and if you're a boat lover it will be a MUST-HAVE for your table top reading.

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3) Special Patron Grant
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Deep grattitute goes to disisme Misfit for donating the sim for the show

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4 ) ** Note to Commercial Vendors **
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Because this show will cost us a great deal of money, we are asking those people that sell their boats and assessories to give us a commission split to help defray the costs. TYC has always been a big supporter to boat builders in the past and we have always worked hard to give the best and most fun show for all of you. We know the building community will get behind this effort to showcase boat builders and boat lovers alike.

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5) Model of Boat Show Marina
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As of 11/21/08 we have a scale model of the marina which can visited at the TYC Yacht Club

come on over to teh sea of Jazz and plan where you would like to exhibit your boat.

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6) Early Registration
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An attempt to fill exhibitor's request will be made in the order that reservations are made -- these are time stamped so REGISTER NOW. Although we try to fill request we can't guarantee it. Click the registration link under or go to

http://slsailorscove.com/Registration.html

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7) Who to Contact in World
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Boat Show Committee

Tasha Kostolany, Committee Chair
disisme Misfit, Sim Patron
RJ Kikuchiyo
Liv Leigh
SophieLauren Allen
Armchair Binder
M1sha Dallin

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8) Help Spread the Word
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The Boat Shows Success is dependent on everyone helping out. Exhibitors to come, and Boat Lovers to spread the word. Place place these signs on your property where people you think would find helpful. Or make your own sign

News About Our Clubhouse

2008-11-10T23:59:00.000-08:00

Hi Sailors:

As you may have discovered Tradewinds lost its home in Hukilau Ridge. The sole fault is in the capricious way Linden Labs chooses to conduct business. Their most recent changes to tier for watered sims creates an unbearable burden to an already fragile environment for private estates who are TRYING to contribute (very selflessly I might add) to the commons of open water for boating. Why LL choose to do this, I won’t speculate here, but I hold out hope that the very bright people at Linden Labs will realize sailable open water is essential to the health of the future to Second Life and that the prim and avatar limits they’ve imposing are unworkable.

Until they achieve this moment of clarity, Tradewinds is going to be moving to a temporary home.

We at Tradewinds wish to offer our deepest thanks to Kevin Ludwig and the Rosewood Estates for having supported us over these past months – he and all of Rosewood have been faithful friends and just underlines why they are such a great place to live.

We want to thank Surf for her film about the “last race”

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTz6Ks_FUM

And you might find interesting the article in the metaverse messenger

In the mean time we're going to work something out -- Liv will keep you posted

cheers everyone

Natasha

Mothgirl gives sneak peak to Next Flying Fizz

2008-11-10T14:15:00.000-08:00

Mothgirl Dibou gave a early demonstration for the next generation of the Flying Fizz 3.0 to some eager sailors at Waypoint Yacht Club. Liv was there to take some pictures and and she relays what some of the highlights we should be expecting.

There will be no more nrs but a hud with arrows on board for navigation. Telltales have been sewn to the sail which are scripted with several settings to give indication of proper sailing trimming.

The boat itself will run a little slower and won't plane in the water -- a more realistic speed and it will operate completely analog with different camera angles.

We'll give more informaton when Mothgirl gets closer to release.